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‘Batman' Speaks: The JFP Interview with Albert Donelson

"Life is good, life is bad, life is all that we have, life ain't easy. Oh, no. Oh, no."

The first time "Batman" called me, I had just arrived at Arts, Eats and Beats in Fondren. I ran into the stairwell so I could hear the soft-spoken man, 33, who was acquitted earlier this month of ordering the murder of Aaron Crockett in 2000. "This is Albert Donelson," said the man with whom Mayor Frank Melton admits to being obsessed, the man Melton believes is responsible for eight murders, the man who took up much of Melton's time when he was head of the Mississippi Bureau of Narcotics. "I want to sit down with you and let you say what you want to say," I told him. "Come to my studio tonight. I'll call you at 8 p.m. and tell you how to get here," he answered.

When photographer Renee Reedy and I arrived at Freddie Young's cave-like studio close to 9 p.m., Donelson quickly emerged, telling us we could not disclose the studio's location as we got to the door, a small video camera peering down at us. The man known as perhaps the city's most famous criminal shook my hand warmly; he was wearing a "Self-Made" Blockwear T-shirt; his arms were tattooed with "Original" on one arm and "Playa" on the other. His signature wire-rim glasses make him look pensive and studious, although he talks in the cadence of the streets. He was hoarse, he said, because he had celebrated and yelled so much since he was released from the Hinds County Detention Center a few days before after five-and-a-half years.

In the cozy studio, the ceiling loomed about a foot above my head; baby pictures and posters of Kamikaze and David Banner decorated the walls. As we settled in, Donelson started explaining what the Wood Street Players are—a rap duo that he and friend Willie Hardge started back in 1992. Young, Hardge and two younger men who did not want to be identified helped fill the details as we talked until almost 11 p.m.

We started out by watching a video of the last song the Wood Street Players recorded before he went to jail back in 2000. The songדLife Ain't Easyԗdescribed the tough life of growing up poor on Wood Street. The images in the video were of real people, cops breaking into apartments, young people fleeing. "The only way we know how is to live and die in the South," the duo rapped. … "Blame it on my childhood." After the video ended—Donelson started talking about a world eerily similar to the one described by Melton.

You said the Wood Street Players did three albums. Starting when?

Albert Donelson (AD): We started in '93, but we didn't really get an album done until '95.

So what led you to go into the music business?

AD: Hell. (All laugh.) I remember sitting in (The Patio) doing our first show and they asked us, what do y'all call yourselves? And we started talking about the "Wood Street Boys," the "Wood Street Niggas." I don't know which one of us came up with the Wood Street Players.

How successful were the albums that you did?

AD: Well, really the first album was very good. The second album, locally, it was all right. But the third album was right where it was supposed to be. Basically, we got locked up when that album came out.

Had you been arrested before your arrest for aggravated assault on Aaron Crockett?

AD: No. As a matter of fact, I was on stage (at Soops) when the shooting happened. … Everybody started running. And we ran. I was the first person they picked up. I was picked up at the scene of the crime. They took me and did a gun residue test to see if I had shot a gun. And it came back negative. So they knew I hadn't shot a gun.

Did you know Crockett before then?

AD: No more than seeing him in the streets.

Tell me a little bit about growing up on Wood Street.

AD: It was the average childhood, going to school (at) Galloway Elementary. From Galloway, I went to Rowan Jr. High. From Rowan, I went to Wingfield High School. No, I stopped in 11th grade. Ended up going to get my GED.

What was your family like?

AD: Well, you know how it is; it's poor people. I lived with my mama, not my dad. My mom was a single parent.

Did you know your dad?

AD: I knew him. But my mama (Beverly Jackson) was a strong person. A strong person that had seven kids.

Was your dad (Eddie Lee Donelson) around?

AD: No, we lived with my daddy in St. Louis. He got killed. Somebody tried to rob him and killed him.

What was Wood Street like when you were a kid?

AD: Well, my position as a kid, it was the same thing—get up, go to school, go to the park and play, and that was just it. We was able to be out; it was like everybody knew each other in the neighborhood. So if you was at one person's house, that person knew who you was, and if you did something at her house, she could whip you.

WH: We don't look at it as growing up in a bad neighborhood. We looked at it as growing up; we was having good times. We had fun. We played like all other kids. But after we got older, then we noticed that things were a lot different. … We don't be studying about it. It's just a normal thing. People get shot. People fight.

Is there any point when the neighborhood changed?

AD: Not really. I mean you were in the ghetto. You're used to seeing everything. Wood Street ain't no worse an area than other ghetto neighborhoods. Everything that happens in a ghetto neighborhood happens over here.

FY: That's true. One thing I've noticed is that television made Wood Street famous. … I think everybody has a different connotation of Wood Street because of publicizing it as such a bad place.

Why do you think that was?

WH: Because of our music. We became a popular group in the neighborhood, and that was due to the music. They started saying, they doing this, and they're doing that. You know what I'm saying. And it was the music that started all this stuff. That started people to disliking. They pointed their fingers and said, "Hey, everything that happens, Batman did all of this." The Wood Street Players had it rough. If some knucklehead go down the street and throw and bust a window out an old lady's house, (they said) Batman had it did.

AD: I think outside of the neighborhood. Inside the neighborhood, you wouldn't get that persona. You know what I'm saying.

WH: We were shooting a video (in 1997), and I think they (police) stood by for like an hour or so and just watched us shoot the video. Then after we had a break or so, they came in. They went to talking. They demanded to come into the house. I told them y'all can't come in the house. Y'all don't have a search warrant. What you want to come in the house for? Well, they said we're going to take you to jail. And they kicked the door on in. Came in and wrestled me down. Beat me up and took me to jail.

Were the police black or white?

WH: It was black cops. The normal neighborhood-beat cops.

What did they take you to jail for?

WH: Disorderly conduct. Just all kind of little trumped-up misdemeanor charges they could put me in jail for at that time we were shooting the video. … They just wanted to stop us from doing the video.

Why?

WH: Just because they were mean as hell. They didn't have nothing else to do. Because it wasn't like we were breaking the law or anything. We were shooting a video.

Do you call your music "gangsta rap"?

AD: It was called "reality rap." That was our reality. That was how we felt about it.

You seem not to like to be called Batman.

AD: Rap is Batman. But when I'm in the public I like to be addressed as Albert. I am Albert Donelson, and they just took the "Batman" name and just ran with it.

WH: Yeah, the football team gave him the name.

What football team?

AD: Galloway (Elementary).

WH: He had a flying tackle, and they gave him that name Batman.

AD: I was a split end/linebacker. I played all the way through junior high.

Why did you stop then?

AD: Well, I was in a lot of trouble. I ain't gonna say I was a saint. I was going back and forth to the training school.

For what?

AD: For breaking and entering.

What were you breaking and entering into?

AD: Houses.

What did you do once you broke in?

AD: Steal.

Why did you do that?

AD: We were poor. We didn't have nothing. So that was just basically what we done.

WH: If it was of value, we'd go for it. You gotta realize something. When you grow up poor, and you have this box in your house showing you everything that you don't have. And it doesn't show you how to get it. It shows you everything that you don't have. … That is why a lot of poor kids get into crime.

Which training schools?

AD: I went to Columbia. And Oakley.

I hear they're pretty bad.

AD: Well, it wasn't like that.

WH: There wasn't people jumping on nobody. He was in a military program. In military discipline and all that type of stuff.

AD: Three hots and a cot. You know what that means, don't you?

WH: It's real good when you're coming off the street.

AD: You know what. In reality, you had kids that would go and leave that training school, go out and commit crime that same day just so they could come back.

WH: Yeah, right, 'cause they wasn't used to having three meals in every day. You know, so that was something good for a lot of us.

So you didn't have bad experiences?

AD: One thing about it, they're going to make sure you go to school and all that.

WH: And you can focus better on your education knowing that you got a place to lay your head and three meals.

AD: When I was in the training school they made sure we went to school and then we got out. ... I might have spent three years tops going back and forth to the training school. I went back two or three times.

What would have kept you out of trouble?

AD: Not being poor. Not being poor. There's a lot of kids right now, and the trouble they get in don't be 'cause they want to get in trouble. Some of them be hungry. And they're not going to tell you they're hungry cause they're proud of themselves. So they'll go and try to steal something, take something, and that's just the way it is.

Did you feel like there was anybody out there who cared that you were poor?

AD: No, not other than my mama. That was the only person, your family. I remember sitting there, my mama would come in, and she had seven of us, and she had one chicken, a whole chicken. She'd get one big can of pork-and-beans, and chop up one pack of hotdogs and put in the pork-and-beans.

I bet she could make the chicken taste good, though.

AD: Yeah, she could cook it. We'd get up in the morning, and she could make that government cheese, put rice in it. Poor people, know what I'm saying? No meat.

Do you dislike being called "Batman" because the media has used it so much?

AD: No, not the media. Other people use it in a bad way.

Like who?

AD: Frank Melton.

When did Melton start using the name "Batman" in a bad way?

AD: 2000.

You remember that easily.

AD: It was the night I said, "Oh, Lord."

How'd you meet Frank Melton?

AD: I'd never met him. Isn't that something? The first time I saw Frank Melton was the month before I went to trial (in March).

People will say, "Batman Donelson must have something on Frank."

FY: Yeah, I heard that, too.

AD: You know what I think this really is? He got on TV in 2000 and said I shot Crockett in the back. Point blank. He didn't say "alleged" or "believed to"; he said I ought to be locked up. The guy's a power-hungry dude.

You were surprised when he started focusing on you?

AD: Real surprised. When I would see Frank Melton on TV, I always felt that he was a just guy, like he was doing the right thing.

That the "Bottom Line" was a good thing?

FY: Most people of Jackson thought that. He was addressing a lot of stuff. He looks good. But you have to look underneath all that, especially when you're on the other end of it.

AD: His wrath. He knows he got the TV, the news with him. What he say going to get out there. Y'all probably the only people doing this type of stuff.

We are. And we're gonna.

Friend #1: You ain't scared?

Me? I chose to be a journalist. I've chased white supremacists around. (Laughter.) Something could happen, but I don't see why you'd be a journalist if you're afraid.

AD: When I first read y'all, y'all talking about Frank Melton, I said y'all ain't gone last long. He's coming.

You mean a while ago?

AD: Right. When I first read y'all putting it in there just like it was. The accusations about the two kids, the stuff that was happening, I thought, Frank ain't going to like that.

He's OK with it so far, but I didn't really come here to talk about that.

AD: Right.

You know he blames you for other crimes.

AD: They charged me with three. He was a TV director. In August 2002, he was quoted saying (they should not have) dropped the aggravated assault charge. They got evidence that cleared me. But (Melton) was on TV saying they were going to re-arrest me for aggravated assault and murder charges. … If you can say this, you'd better have facts and truth when you start talking. Then he goes in and turns into a MBN director and was quoted in the newspaper three weeks later saying that he was investigating Wood Street Players because (he was) coming into information about the murders. If you already said this as a TV director, then why come back three weeks (after joining MBN)? He thinks people are not watching, not paying attention to what he's doing.

He told me he is obsessed with the Wood Street Players. He said that started when he was at MBN, and he saw some of the files about Reginald Versell (and other cases).

AD: No, no, no, no, no. You can go right down to WLBT and look at their tapes in August 2002. I can give you the Internet paper with it. … I think it was a cover-up to do whatever he wanted to do. …

FY: They had to make up a gang. There was no gang. The Wood Street Players is this right here.

When asked about the "gang" part, he'll say Wood Street wasn't a gang, but will then call it a "gang." He complains about people calling a group of black men a gang.

AD: I think the reason he started calling us a gang was to have more effect.

What else have you done? Have you been involved with drugs?

AD: Cocaine. I've been convicted for it. Possession.

Have you gotten away from drugs now?

AD: Yeah, I've been away from drugs.

How did that happen?

AD: When we started rapping.

Did that change your life?

AD: It changed it.

How? So many people think rap, hip-hop, is so bad; tell me how it was good for you.

AD: That was something we loved doing. It was like we can get out of the ghetto with this here. We got a talent, do what we want to do. And that's just something, and it's what you love to do. See, it's not something that you don't want to do, and you're doing it just 'cause you have to. It's something that you wake up, feel, it's in your bloodstream, and that's all you can think about.

How does it feel to you as somebody Mr. Melton is really focused on as a really bad person, yet he's helping other people who have been in similar situations?

AD: Christopher Walker is a prime example. (Melton's) got people like that in positions that he want them in; he can pretty much tell them to do what he want them to do. Walker got cars, apartments, money and all this here, and come and told every lie that he had to tell to get us convicted. Frank Melton was sitting there the day of court when the people were fixing to drop my charges, the judge asked me, he said, you know if I drop these charges, they can come pick you up anytime. And I looked over to (attorney) Randy Harris, and I told him, "We're going to trial." I could've went home that day … but I wanted my day in court.

You were confident you would go home?

AD: It wasn't confidence. I had faith in God.

Are you religious?

AD: Yes, I am. I've been religious ever since I was a kid. I just got in a lot of trouble. I was going back and forth to church.

At the same time?

AD: Right. I'm a Baptist.

What church?

AD: I've been locked up for five years.

Are you a member of a church from way back like your mama's church?

AD: My mama's church, Open Doors. That was the first church that you come in that you wear regular clothes in. You don't have to put no suit on.

Did you go much?

AD: All the time. We had picnics, all kinds of stuff like that.

Have you been since you got out?

AD: Me and my kids are going this Sunday.

OK, so you were locked up for …?

AD: Aggravated assault and for convicted felony with a firearm. While I was locked up, I was hit with the murder charges.

Now none of those charges are still on you?

AD: I'm on probation for the convicted felony with a firearm.

How was it in the Hinds County Jail?

AD: They had me in lockdown. The whole time I've been there I was on lockdown because of Frank.

Did you ever get into trouble?M

AD: No. I was locked down. I couldn't get in trouble. 23 hours a day. I didn't get but one hour a day.

You're on probation, so you've got to …

AD: Walk straight.

You don't have any other charges pending?

AD: No. Other than what Mr. Frank Melton is going to come up with. He said (I committed) eight murders. I know he can't actually name the other five (alleged victims). He ain't gonna have no names for them.

He tries to put Reginald Versell on you, too. That's the fourth one I know (along with Crockett, Hilliard, Keyon Perry).

AD: He tries to. He said Batman done it. … When he says something, that's what he wants to happen. … Everybody sees how he gets on TV and says I'm looking for this guy for this. And when he catches them, it'll be a different thing. So, how many times can you get a person for using and manipulating the system in Jackson like that, and then still greet everybody with an honest face?

Tell me about him coming to see you in jail. He told me (you had threatened him).

AD: He called Major Johnson. He's over the jail. Major Johnson asked me, "Albert, do you want to talk to Frank Melton?" Initially, I said no. I don't want to talk to him. So he come back around and said, "Man, he insisted on wanting to talk to you." I said the only way I'll talk to him is if my attorney is present. So we did that. He goes upstairs and as soon as we get down, he sits down. He says, "I want to tell you...." I gets up and walk off.

Like he was lecturing you or something?

AD: Lecturing me; that's exactly what he was doing. As I was walking out, he comes out and says, "I'm going to do whatever I have to do and I meant what I said." I was asking my lawyer, Randy (Harris), what did he mean by this? What is this going on right here? And he told him that he should've taken it to the D.A. or the U.S. Attorney. This is no way to come to nobody and talk to an inmate.

Did he tell your attorney how you had threatened him?

AD: He told my attorney (I did it through) inmates in the jail. But if you see where I'm locked up, they took me from a cell and put me in a tank. ... When you come in the booking area, they got two cells they put you in. That's called a tank. It is where you sit at and wait to be booked in. They stationed me in the tank where you are supposed to be booked in. I slept on a mat on the floor for the remainder of the two years. So I was in there.

Windows?

AD: Windows taped up. No light. They got white paper (taped) over the windows.

How thick was your mat?

AD: Probably about that thick.

Four or five inches?

AD: Yeah.

They said in the trial that your brother was in jail when he was supposed to get the call (from Donelson ordering the hit).

AD: He was in Raymond. (Early on) Judge DeLaughter asked the district attorney: "Are y'all sure y'all want to go ahead with this case like this here?" 'Cause my brother's lawyer brought this information out in the beginning, saying, "Look, did y'all know Terrell was locked up at this time?" … (Melton) stood in the background whooping and hollering about "they ain't doing their job." OK, they did it. (D.A. Peterson) was in a position where she was damned if she do and damned if she don't: If I drop this case, if I don't try to do nothing about it, Frank Melton's going to say I ain't doing my job.

What do you think about him going to your mama's house (with a shotgun on April 9)?

AD: I think he crossed the line there. He was already past the line.

I halfway expected you to tell me that you had had some kind of crazy run-in with Melton or somebody close to him.

AD: Everybody asks me that. My lawyer asked me the same thing. I said I've never met this man. ... I'm telling you when this obsession got started. When he said he's going to (indict me) on murder charges. In August 2002, when he was TV director.

So how are people treating you now?

AD: Everybody I talk to, the main thing they tell me is watch your back. Be careful. It kind of gives you butterflies in your stomach. I can't go nowhere because all my (three) kids and my mama live here. Where else can I go?

How is it for them?

AD: They're glad I'm going to be around. I'm really family-oriented. I want to be with my kids. I like living life; I don't want them to do the same things I did. The struggles and the pain and everything else.

Do they live with you?

AD: With their mother.

There are a lot of guns out there. When I was riding along with Mr. Melton, one kid had a gun in his lap; he said he was afraid someone was going to steal his rims.

(Chorus of um-hums.)

Can that cycle be stopped?

AD: I'm out on probation. There ain't no way in hell I can have a gun. I don't want to be around no guns. He can have a gun, and I can be in a car with him, and still be a convicted felon with a firearm. I cannot be nowhere around a gun. The latest I've been out is sitting here talking to you. ... I don't want nobody to roll up and gun me down with my kids with me. I try to cut as much people out as I can. That's why I told you when you came here, I don't want this area known to Frank Melton, you know what I'm saying?

But the gun thing?

FY: When you're just living here, it's almost like a reality: I have a gun because he has a gun, and he has a gun because I have a gun. It is a cycle. I like living around no guns a whole lot better.

There are a lot of young black men killing each other.

FY: Yeah, that is because they have guns. It's easy for them to get. It's a problem-solver.

Friend #1: A lot of people who aren't supposed to have guns only get guns from people who can have guns. They break in a car and steal it, and then have a gun. …

You guys live out here in this culture. Is there anything that can stop the cycle?

(All talking at once.)

FY: It's like asking if you can stop the violence that's going on in Iraq. It's like a war zone out here.

WH: People got to stop discriminating people for jobs. If a person wants to work, give him a job. You can have gold in your mouth or braids in your hair.

Friend #1: That's what Tavis Smiley wrote about in his new book—that the Clinton era uplifted everybody except the black men. Over 90 percent of black men are incarcerated. This is big business. If the sole bread-winner in the family is a woman, you lessen the self-respect of a man. A man should provide for his family, be protective of his family.

Is there anything you guys can do?

AD: I've always said after I get past everything, I will start talking to the youth. I want to do it on account of "I want to do it." I want to come in and tell them what I want them to know, the truth. Don't give me a script.

What's the biggest lesson you've learned?

AD: Not to take life for granted. Before I went to jail, I never thought this would happen in a million years. I always felt like you do something, you get caught, you do your time, you take your licks. But I never thought I'd be charged with a gazillion murders and made out like I'm the monster and everything else.

Friend #1: It's real serious at this point. Not just drugs, even teenage sex today; you can have sex one time, and it can kill you.

AD: Kids are growing up real fast. They need to learn not to take life for granted; enjoy every day you're at school. Go to the playground and enjoy. Stop looking at the people riding in the car with the big dubs and thinking, "I wish I had that car. I wish I had this. I wish I had that." …

When you were younger, did you have adults who tried to help you, show you these kinds of opportunities?

AD: No. I remember mama sitting on the side of the bed crying. "Mama, what are you crying for?" "I ain't got no food, I can't feed y'all." I made up my mind then I was going to go get me some food. I knew I wasn't the only person feeling that way.

Previous Comments

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79630
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Donna, this is the first time I have read an interview with him. I know he called in on Charles Evers' show last week when you were on. Had you planned on talking with him after the Melton series or was this something that just came about last week?

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c a webb
Date
2006-04-26T18:18:57-06:00
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79631
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It would seem very hard (IMO) to fabricate this much conversation for an interview. After reading this it is crystal clear to me that Frank must be stopped. There is no reason for someone that has been cleared to have to live with the fear of someone like Frank breathing down their neck 24/7. We may never know what drives Melton so vigilantly against Donelson, but it is clear that he will do anything in his power to get Donelson put away for good. This is scary. A mayor with a gun and a vengance. We can not tell Donna Ladd "thank you" enough for doing what needs to be done by presenting both sides of this issue. Indications are pointing to one side of this very strongly. If there is something that is hidden, I believe that it will soon come out. Donelson has been cleared. Frank has lost on every try to put him away. Mayor, please let this rest and get on with the other city business.

Author
lance
Date
2006-04-26T19:54:35-06:00
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79632
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Donna I just want to take a minute and say thank you not only to you, but also Mr. Donelson. It takes a lot of 'guts' to bring your side of the story to the table! I believe it speaks very highly of Mr. Donelson to come forward and speak publicly. It could not have been an easy thing to do, especially when he has literally been crucified in the press by Mr. Melton. I respect Mr. Donelson for admitting the mistakes he has made, and taking responsibility for them. I can only imagine the hardship he faces when his name is constantly tossed around in the media by Melton, in association of numerous murders and other crimes that Frank shares his belief on, almost on a day to day basis. I have a better understanding of the 'Wood Street Playas' and can only applaude Mr. Donelson for sharing his side of the story!

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Katie D
Date
2006-04-26T19:54:37-06:00
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79633
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C.A., I've been wanting to sit down with Mr. Donelson for a while. But I first talked to Mr. Donelson on Mr. Evers' show last week. I decided then that I wanted him as the next cover story. I tracked him down Thursday, after diving deep into my address book. I went and interviewed him that night. Thanks, everyone, for the comments. It seemed clear to me that Mr. Donelson deserved the chance to be heard. That in no way speaks to my personal belief about his innocence or guilt, just as my interviews with Mr. Melton did not endorse anything he said. The more voices, the better.

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DonnaLadd
Date
2006-04-26T20:50:24-06:00
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79634
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Just thought I'd tell everyone that I have heard some of the cuts from their new album. One record is called, "Donna is so Fly", meaning she's fair, balanced, good for Jackson, takes time to hear the little man too, et al. Another cut is called "F____ FM". I asked if he was referring to the FM dial on the radio. They said it could be because the FM stations ran all over the AM stations for years before AM stations got bigger towers and more wattace. But it could be whatever you wanted it to be. Another cut is called "What you Gonna Do when Da Mayor Comes for You". This one is self-explanatory. The next to last cut I hear was called "F is a G." They wouldn't tell me what that one was about. The last cut they let me hear was called "Pimps is Scared (Don't mind my english). All of these cuts have potential. I wish AD and the boys the best in life. I was glad to hear Donaldson talk to Donna too. Good job Donna.

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Ray Carter
Date
2006-04-27T08:54:37-06:00
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79635
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Good interview ladd. you are gaining points in the streets by talking to REAL men out there and Albert is one of them. I was always skeptical about you and your journalism because it seemed like, to me, You would only interview the cowards and circus clowns of Jackson(no names needed). Now that you've had a chance to get to the "meat" of the streets I'm starting to warm up to your editorials. Albert and his buddies made very good points about how black men are being held down, kept out, and emasculated right before our very eyes but nobody seems to see it but us black men. and they wonder why we snap and go steal a car or do a kickdoor robbery. It's good you gave Albert a chance to get his say in and talk about this but that don't mean his enemies are less likely to go after him(not just Melton), so this interview is at the very least a peek inside this troubled man's life before he ends up dead running the streets of Jackson. God forbid something happens to him, but I'm very happy that SOMEBODY was able to get his side of the story before things go sour for him. because the streets are unforgiving and that's the bottom line. Now that people are waking up to Frank the Tyrant, I don't feel so alone when I make statements about him and his "efforts" to "help" the kids of Jackson. I never bought any of his lies...ever. He's destroyed countless lives of kids in Jackson with his "intervention" CRAP. I grew up with many of these same folk and most of them can't tell me to this day how Frank has helped them do better. Even Albert said that he is no saint, but to "make up" sh!t to get him thrown away is just sad and sorry, Frank.

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JSU
Date
2006-04-27T09:25:53-06:00
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79636
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Ray, I really don't picture them making any songs with titles like that but I could be wrong...lol

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JSU
Date
2006-04-27T09:27:30-06:00
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79637
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Am I really seeing what I'm reading. Donnelson is the good guy here and Melton is the bad guy. Sure Melton thinks he is John Wayne, but to make him the villian for going after Donnelson is just not right.

Author
CentralMSDawg
Date
2006-04-27T09:40:52-06:00
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79638
Comment

JSU, yes, poor people face great obstacles in life. Still, it's far better to suffer some than to commit crimes and mess up your life. Our present plight is nothing compared to Slavery and James Crow, and we still survived with dignity and great morality. It does a youngster no good to get felony convictions. I hampers raising and providing for your love ones. I have understanding for some desperate acts but I require responsibility too, not cop outs.

Author
Ray Carter
Date
2006-04-27T09:43:56-06:00
ID
79639
Comment

For the unknowing I was only joking about hearing any of the records. If Melton is going after an innocent man then he is the villian here. Innocent people should not be abused for crimes they didn't commit.

Author
Ray Carter
Date
2006-04-27T09:46:23-06:00
ID
79640
Comment

Let me also say that I'm tired of some rappers (not all) thinking they have to have street pedigree based in crimes to have real appeal as a real person from the streets in order to make it. Suge Knight, Gotti, and all the other crazy bastards who were or are still involved in the sale of drugs and murder aren't any hero to anybody. They are criminals who should be in jail.

Author
Ray Carter
Date
2006-04-27T10:07:58-06:00
ID
79641
Comment

CentralMsDawg wrote: "Am I really seeing what I'm reading. Donnelson is the good guy here and Melton is the bad guy. Sure Melton thinks he is John Wayne, but to make him the villian for going after Donnelson is just not right." I don't think this interview puts Donnelson as the 'good' guy, but it is always good to hear both sides of the story. We've been hearing loudmouth FM for the longest accusing people in the media, and the people being accused have no way to defend themselves. The way I see it, FM is a villian not for going after so called bad guys, but the way in which he tries to 'bring them down' is kind of villian -like behavior. This is a really good interview and I'm glad I got to at least hear another side of the story besides Melton's side.

Author
jan2006
Date
2006-04-27T10:45:46-06:00
ID
79642
Comment

I also would like to definitly say an AMEN for that prayer. In times of trouble that is what we all need. Thanks, Ray Carter!

Author
jan2006
Date
2006-04-27T10:47:37-06:00
ID
79643
Comment

JSU wrote: "Albert and his buddies made very good points about how black men are being held down, kept out, and emasculated right before our very eyes but nobody seems to see it but us black men." This is frightengly true. Do you all suppose the black family can truly bounce back from this fact, and if so how. I mean I understand the whole give 'em jobs and provide opportunity, but it affects so many black families and I wonder can and will it ever be conquered. It seems to me off top that not too many people even want to discuss this issue. It is very important if we ever do not want the black man to become extinct. (My wording is totally of,f but the meaning is still there.)

Author
jan2006
Date
2006-04-27T10:53:21-06:00
ID
79644
Comment

No Ray you're right, just because you're in the ghetto doesn't mean you can't grow. I'm living proof. Most of my family grew up in downtown and west Jackson areas, so trust me, I know about the gov'ment chesse with rice. I was one of those kids who loved sports and girls so I focused on that to channel my energies just like Albert. but take a hard look outside your door. we are in Jackson Mississippi. the most racist /disinfranchised city on the planet. albert and his friends don't lie when they say jobs won't hire you because of gold teeth and braids. not to mention, dare not have a j-walking ticket on your record, you'll be damn near exiled from a damn Popeye's in Jackson. trust me I know first hand. most of these guys are just helpless due to criminal records and no second chances and resort to "getting money" and to hell with jail. I can empathize with them.

Author
JSU
Date
2006-04-27T11:12:24-06:00
ID
79645
Comment

Held down, kept out, and emasculated. I don't know where to start but I will by saying, we have to finish High School first. It seems to me anyone can do this. Of all the defendants I have represented over 20 years, I can count on one hand the number that finished high school and did some college. I can count on both hands, and possibly one also, the number who finished high school. This is amazingly telling. So many more of us could have finished high school and college. We chose not to. When we fail to do the things that allow us opportunities, then I ask who is it that's really holding us down, keeping us out, and emasculating us. I'm all for blaming the white man and the system when they are guilty but I'm just as down for blaming the so-called victims for their own conduct when they are guilty, too. Every company, organization, agency, and household have or should have rules. Those who follow the rules will have an easier time making it. Those who want to do things their way shouldn't be shocked or surprised when they fail. Show me the people who are trying to legitimately help themselves and I will give my time, resources, and energies to help them get it right. Those who wants the most should work the hardest and longest. Despite all of the foregoing, victory or success is not guaranteed. But failure is almost a given for those who won't learn the rules, work hard and smart, and those who seek handouts.

Author
Ray Carter
Date
2006-04-27T11:21:09-06:00
ID
79646
Comment

"Let me also say that I'm tired of some rappers (not all) thinking they have to have street pedigree based in crimes to have real appeal as a real person from the streets in order to make it. Suge Knight, Gotti, and all the other crazy bastards who were or are still involved in the sale of drugs and murder aren't any hero to anybody. They are criminals who should be in jail." You're waaaaay off, Ray. wayaaaaay off. Suge served his time for his crimes. Irv Gotti got exonerated. And they weren't using their "hood status" to become more appealing because most of them never had any serious charges on them until they began making lots of money. Ray, were you aware that there is an actual "hip hop task force" out there that are profiling and harrassing major rap artists? why is that? Why can't a group of black guys get together and make a million dollars without some sort of investigation going on about where the seed money came from? back to the same ol' racism

Author
JSU
Date
2006-04-27T11:29:45-06:00
ID
79647
Comment

JSU, thanks for the compliment. I know I have to earn your respect, and I'm perfectly willing to be patient about it. ;-) Glad you stuck with us past my first interview with Mr. Melton—I consider my, and the JFP's, work in Jackson a process. We are working hard toward the goal of really representing and giving voice to the people of Jackson. It takes time to get to that point, but we have made much progress of late. There is more where this comes from. Otherwise, it goes without saying—or should, for those who are intellectually honest—that I am not endorsing anything either Mr. Donelson or Mr. Melton says, or trying to participate in a game of "who's the villain?" Other people have pitted them against each other, not me. My goal is to get beyond the sound bites, and to the human component. Mr. Donelson is no saint, as he says, but he is human, and there were forces that helped determine his path. Anyone who is serious about fighting crime—by preventing it—in our inner cities will be interested in this path. And you can be interested in understanding the path, and working for prevention, even as you want criminals to be punished, etc. It is important to understand, also, that the evidence was not strong against Mr. Donelson. I sat in for part of the trial, as well as have read the case file (which includes statements not presented in the trial, such as by Mr. Walker). The biggest problem was that his brother had an alibi for the time he was supposed to have taken the "hit" call. Also, the witnesses contradict each other mightily. The district attorney says she has evidence that Mr. Walker perjured himself to the grand jury. And, to pile onto the problems was the perception, at least, that Mr. Melton paid Mr. Walker for his testimony. Consider this: Even if Mr. Melton meant well, and was really trying to help and "protect" Mr. Walker after he agreed to testify (which I could believe), his actions clearly tainted the evidence. There is no question in my mind. It reminds me of the O.J. Simpson case and that stupid cop, Fuhrman, who was an open racist and gathered evidence sloppily and unethically. Our system is set up to protect the accused from this kind of "law enforcement." Even though I believe O.J. was guilty as sin, it is easy to see how that racist cop introduced "reaonable doubt" into the equation. In this case, we may be observing a prime example of Mr. Melton's lack of knowledge, or concern, for the legal process of gathering evidence and dealing with witnesses coming around to bite the public in the a$$. He does not seem to comprehend it, but there is a reason we have laws and procedures that no one is above. It is also a case of why the media should keep a watch on the way these kinds of things are done in the first place. The media gave the swashbuckling crusader against crime a pass when he was bypassing procedure back when. Now the chickens are coming home to roost. Another point that Mr. Donelson introduced that I hadn't considered, and would love thoughts on from experts like Ray: He said the district attorney presented her motion just before trial so that he could be tried again once, hoping to gather more evidence, not acquitted as he could be based on the evidence. Meantime, Mr. Melton was pitching a fit about her proceeding with that trial THAT WEEK. So they went to trial, and he was acquitted, which means he can't be tried again for Mr. Crockett's death. It sounds like Mr. Melton's pressure on the D.A. actually helped him walk free. I haven't had a chance to ask the D.A. why she proceeded that week, but I will. It would disappoint me if she proceeded only because of Mr. Melton's rhetoric. What he says and does should have no effect on what she does -- but I can also see the reality of the Melton media machine shaping public perception. Anyway, I'll keep all posted on what I find out there.

Author
DonnaLadd
Date
2006-04-27T11:31:30-06:00
ID
79648
Comment

I know about government cheese, commodity meat (as we called it), raisins, etc. I don't eat raisins now because I ate a whole big box of them one time after we got our commodities. Commodities day was Christmas once a month for folks in my neighborhood. On December 25 all we usually got was apples and oranges. My wife says I still suffer some sadness to this day as a result of not ever getting any toys. I was willing to wait until a brighter day arose. I was sure one would come some day. I knew crimes would preclude those bright days. The Almighty gave all of us the power to overcome. I stayed away from boys who stole and committed crime. My second oldest brother would have gotten me killed if I didn't have some common sense. Before long I realized I had to stay away from him. The point was really driven home when I was in a gunfight and everybody had a gun but me. My brother came into a club with a gun and started a fight which caused lot of people to pull guns and fight him. My love for my brother caused me to join in to help him. Suddenly, I had an awakening moment as I stood there empty-handed and wondering why I wasn't shot. I know God was with me. This brother didn't learn crap until he killed somebody and spent 14 years in prison. My oldest brother was killed by a gun and was engaged in drugs and who knows what else. My oldest brothers loved me so much that he wouldn't let me hang around him. He always said he knew I would amount to something some day.

Author
Ray Carter
Date
2006-04-27T11:39:55-06:00
ID
79649
Comment

Just in from a reader/name dedacted: >hi ladd ... terence Xxxxxx from jackson young voter, iam mad at the black > leadership who lets frank walk all over the city and act like a bunch of > scared punks, so i guess i have to come to the white newspaper leader i > appreciate the breath of fresh air you provide and outlet for the truth, > please start a topic or furom on the young man who was punched in the face on > wlbt and in the stomach and face again all caught on wlbt helicopter go look > while in hancuffs please, i dont like frank to be honest not for a bad reason > i wish i could speak with him 1 on 1, since you have ascess to him suggest to > him to hold a furom with the youth of jackson to get answered the real > questions. Maybe the JFP should host this forum, and ask the mayor to attend? Kamikaze and I have already talked about doing something like this forum. Thoughts?

Author
DonnaLadd
Date
2006-04-27T11:40:52-06:00
ID
79650
Comment

You make good points, Ray. but I'll be honest with you, graduating high or college don't gurantee you a job in Jackson. most who graduate here have to move to another city to get a leg up or they too will be back in the streets of Jackson, disinfranchized. I know you understand that if you quit your job tomorrow, you would have highwater hell to walk through to find another job that's even close to what you have right now in Jackson. You would have to move, I'm pretty sure of it. It just ain't enough to go around and when you got a couple strikes against you(as a kid no less) it's that much harder. His cocaine charge shouldn't stop him from getting a job at least at McDonalds but I'm almost sure if he applied anywhere in Jackson and they see "drug conviction" on his application, he was guranteed to NOT to get that job. so what can he do? answer that Ray.

Author
JSU
Date
2006-04-27T11:44:19-06:00
ID
79651
Comment

There are many rappers who believe just what i stated earlier. I represent one right now as we speak who has told me far more than I ever wanted to know about the innerworking ot the rap game. I'm not wrong in any way. I said some rappers, not all. Arguably, I picked the wrong ones to use as an example. I'm glad Gotti was exonerated. I don't knock Suge for doing his time. I hope he gets it together and find future success. I admit many rappers are being picked on and blamed unjustifiably. I have said it here more times than I can count.

Author
Ray Carter
Date
2006-04-27T11:46:41-06:00
ID
79652
Comment

Donna, I think what Donelson was talking about is Faye was trying to get the case dismissed w/o prejudice which would allow her to retry him some day. A dismissal with prejudice precludes further prosecution. Faye could have also nolle prose the case which would also allow her to rebring it some day. Donelson apparently said hell nall let have a trial and get this matter behind me once and for all.

Author
Ray Carter
Date
2006-04-27T11:54:14-06:00
ID
79653
Comment

"There are many rappers who believe just what i stated earlier." Name one, excluding the one you're representing now.

Author
JSU
Date
2006-04-27T12:00:22-06:00
ID
79654
Comment

I agree JSU that Albert's prior felony conviction and notoreity have ruined him from getting a decent or any job in Jackson. I also agree that I probably couldn't go get a job right off the bat paying me what I'm being paid now due to age and other problems of choosing to specialize in criminal law for the last several years. Yes, people have to be given second chances. I'm all for legislation, laws and policies to do this. Lots of white folks get second chances all the time that we can't get. This is another reason I aver we can't f-up like white folks can. We have to see the system as it is. Not as we want it to be.

Author
Ray Carter
Date
2006-04-27T12:00:46-06:00
ID
79655
Comment

Ray Carter wrote: "When we fail to do the things that allow us opportunities, then I ask who is it that's really holding us down, keeping us out, and emasculating us." Good point. The answer I was looking for.

Author
jan2006
Date
2006-04-27T12:03:44-06:00
ID
79656
Comment

Suge Knight. 50 Cents. Do you need more? I will also name one who does not believe this, my cousin Ray J., Brandy Norwood's brother. Their daddy and my mother are 1st cousins I'm proud to say. I can name several more in my client's group.

Author
Ray Carter
Date
2006-04-27T12:04:41-06:00
ID
79657
Comment

Now, to an extent Albert's mom is at fault too. maybe she could've told them that ghetto life can get better, just try. but it seems she was already a defeated person and was probably no more in their lives than his father was eventhough she lived there. so what you have is young folks trying to be grown-ups making poor decisions...deadly cocktail.

Author
JSU
Date
2006-04-27T12:09:25-06:00
ID
79658
Comment

I'm not into blaming mothers. I have seen too many crying and saying they did the best they could. I believe most of them. Boys need fathers to be present in their lives.

Author
Ray Carter
Date
2006-04-27T12:11:26-06:00
ID
79659
Comment

The forum idea is really a good one and much needed. I hear and know from past experiances that there are 'good cops' and then there are 'bad cops', and the 'bad ones' really need to be stopped because they make all cops look bad. I wonder what the story was behind the young boy getting punched. Did this happen yesterday or today? Maybe I'll check out wlbt website to see if I can find the story.

Author
jan2006
Date
2006-04-27T12:13:11-06:00
ID
79660
Comment

Too often mothers are on drugs too or dysfunctional in so many other ways that they're no help either. My heart cries out for these children.

Author
Ray Carter
Date
2006-04-27T12:13:31-06:00
ID
79661
Comment

Ladies and gentleman, excuse me, as I am a little 'off' today: this comment:" I also would like to definitly say an AMEN for that prayer. In times of trouble that is what we all need. Thanks, Ray Carter" does not belong here......but in the 'Frank, IV'

Author
jan2006
Date
2006-04-27T12:23:44-06:00
ID
79662
Comment

"I'm not into blaming mothers." Mothers can only be blamed to a certain extent, as well as the fathers, then when you reach a certain age it is about personal responsibility.

Author
jan2006
Date
2006-04-27T12:26:07-06:00
ID
79663
Comment

Ray, you're funny guy..lol.. 50cent isn't doing it either. he's just simply rapping about the ordeal that almost left him dead and immortilized his story on wax and CD. that's pure genius. Would you rather that Mr. Curtis Jackson be standing over you with a 9mm about to plug you into oblivion if you don't give up your wallet? If Willie Nelson can sing about his love for mary jane usage and Tommy Lee can make a porno flick and not be black-balled(excuse my inuendo) I'm sure Snoop Dogg should be able to rap about a little sex and drugs too. Here's a bit of twisted logic that's been drilled into the minds of black men across america that should upset you: If you're black, you have to supress your pain because it wouldn't look good on America's image worldwide. kinda like the mintril mime of old.

Author
JSU
Date
2006-04-27T12:32:55-06:00
ID
79664
Comment

AD: No. I remember mama sitting on the side of the bed crying. “Mama, what are you crying for?” “I ain’t got no food, I can’t feed y’all.” I made up my mind then I was going to go get me some food. I knew I wasn’t the only person feeling that way. This is exactly what I was sayng in my article. The reality is that most kids go for the illegal way to get the "food." Poverty is a vicous cycle, and it ruins the lives of poor people everyday.

Author
Melishia
Date
2006-04-27T13:16:06-06:00
ID
79665
Comment

Ray wrote: Faye could have also nolle prose the case which would also allow her to rebring it some day. Donelson apparently said hell nall let have a trial and get this matter behind me once and for all. I think her motion was "nolle prose." So tell me this: Did Mr. Donelson have the right himself to demand that it went ahead to trial?

Author
DonnaLadd
Date
2006-04-27T13:17:25-06:00
ID
79666
Comment

Also, all, I just lunch with the director of the Young People's Project. She wants to help us host the forums, find participants, etc. We were saying that we could schedule them for this summer -- maybe two or three? This will happen.

Author
DonnaLadd
Date
2006-04-27T13:19:16-06:00
ID
79667
Comment

Your right Melishia,, then it seems the first solution to the problem before anything else (jobs, education, etc.) can even be addressed is to find ways of providing for these children. This makes me recall the black panthers (even though I wasn't alive during this time) they made efforts in the 60's and 70's to feed poor children through their community pantry and their feed the children programs. The culmination of your comments as well as others makes me realize that I really could do more to help others.

Author
jan2006
Date
2006-04-27T13:23:14-06:00
ID
79668
Comment

Donna, I would love to work with you on the forum with the young people. I think that it would be most beneficial if it was organized at the beginning of the summer break so that a concensus could be reached in regards to how young people in jackson occupy their idle time.

Author
Melishia
Date
2006-04-27T13:26:55-06:00
ID
79669
Comment

The culmination of your comments as well as others makes me realize that I really could do more to help others. That's so sweet, jan. We all can. Let's each of us figure out ways to reach out right away. It's going to take a multi-pronged approach, and the last thing we should do is assume that (a) some superhero is going to fix it all for us, or (b) that we are powerless to change these problems. I truly believe that Jackson can lead on this ... if we simply decide to.

Author
DonnaLadd
Date
2006-04-27T13:27:56-06:00
ID
79670
Comment

Of course, I had you in mind. At the top of the list! We'll talk about it when you come in. Be working up your ideas. We should make you the point person on it so other people can e-mail you directly. OK if they write you at your yahoo address? Of course, everyone can keep posting here, too. ;-D

Author
DonnaLadd
Date
2006-04-27T13:29:33-06:00
ID
79671
Comment

jan2006, I was wondering what you were giving an amen about. Ray, very good point about us not holding ourselves back from opportunities. Young and old can really benefit from not letting the negatives paint such a hopeless picture. If we live despite our obstacles (without resorting to potentially harmful actions), we can promote hope to others. Ray, thank you for the testimony. I'd like to emphasize something from the interview: AD: Kids are growing up real fast. They need to learn not to take life for granted; enjoy every day you’re at school. Go to the playground and enjoy. Stop looking at the people riding in the car with the big dubs and thinking, “I wish I had that car. I wish I had this. I wish I had that.” … Human insatisfaction is a large contributor to our ills. We just like to have something different, something more. Regardless of what we have. If somebody has that mindset making $80K, do we really expect others making less than $15K NOT to? The forum, ladd, would be a very good move. Of course, etiquette will be an important crash course, but hell grown folks act a plumb fool also.

Author
lilsoulja
Date
2006-04-27T13:33:17-06:00
ID
79672
Comment

People are welcomed to email me at [email]Melishiadg@yahoo.com[/email] Also, I believe that ALL young people should be involved. This will make the forum more exciting and more people means more results.

Author
Melishia
Date
2006-04-27T13:34:54-06:00
ID
79673
Comment

yeah, for a second lilsoulja i thought i was a little crazy.

Author
jan2006
Date
2006-04-27T13:38:45-06:00
ID
79674
Comment

Yes, Donna, with Donelson's lawyer's help and the judge's forcing the matter to a conclusion. Most people would just be glad to have a chance to go home regardless of whether the matter came up later. Donelson probably insisted through his lawyer that the matter be tried or dismissed with prejudice. Smartly he didn't want it hanging over his head. Nolle prose means simply to pass the matter to the file. It's final only if the prosecuter decides to not follow up on it.

Author
Ray Carter
Date
2006-04-27T13:44:01-06:00
ID
79675
Comment

Great, Melishia, thanks. We're moving. Also, I feel confident that we can count on the M.A.P. Coalition as another sponsor. And we can reach out to radio stations.

Author
DonnaLadd
Date
2006-04-27T13:45:37-06:00
ID
79676
Comment

He said he insisted on it. This is interesting to know, being that people have tried to blame the district attorney for trying to drop it, then not dropping it. It makes you wonder if Mr. Melton had any idea how all this works. I do have some more parts to add to this interview, all. Just no time to it now. Should be up tonight, so check back.

Author
DonnaLadd
Date
2006-04-27T13:47:34-06:00
ID
79677
Comment

JSU, I don't care much what the rappers rap about. What I'm talking about is rappers personally committing horrible crimes including murder and poisoning others with drugs so that they can claim to be tough or real street thugs to their peers and others. I'm glad fifty figured out how to make big money legitimately. I'm all for it. I doubt we disagree on much. Mind you, I do remember how hostile you were to Kamikaze a few week ago as we discussed rap music. When did the big change occur? Are you serious? Besides, I'm an old man, but I could probably still whup 4 ot 5 50 Cents. I would probably take the weapon and whup his butt with it. Smile.

Author
Ray Carter
Date
2006-04-27T13:55:35-06:00
ID
79678
Comment

JSU, you will never ever hear me say we should act a certain way to please white folks, to show docility, or even to please all, or most, black folks. I don't subscribe to this theroy. I aver that we act and do things to help us, including being responsible for our own fate as much as we can. In case you're wondering, I don't follow or respect any fools, and I don't care what their race is. I don't have any respect for Tommy Lee or many other rockers. Rappers have by and large replaced them anyway. Don't expect we black folks to respect conduct not worth respect. The old trick of trying to make intelligent blacks weak just because they don't support criminal and annihilative behavior won't work with me. I clearly know who the weak ones are.

Author
Ray Carter
Date
2006-04-27T14:17:39-06:00
ID
79679
Comment

ind you, I do remember how hostile you were to Kamikaze a few week ago as we discussed rap music. When did the big change occur? Are you serious?[ I got on his case about hating on Spike Lee, who came from these very same critical circumstances but he asserted that "Spike don't speak for us..." ...There was a disconnect void that needed to be filled there and I filled it for him. Is that the topic you're referring to? When we fail to do the things that allow us opportunities, then I ask who is it that's really holding us down, keeping us out, and emasculating us..... I'm all for blaming the white man and the system when they are guilty but I'm just as down for blaming the so-called victims for their own conduct when they are guilty, too.[/] ^This is what Spike Lee was trying to get people to understand.

Author
JSU
Date
2006-04-27T15:04:02-06:00
ID
79680
Comment

And Ray you never answered my last question to you: "I bet your favorite actor, musician, best friend uses the N word...huh?" Are they fools too? do you admit to still following them? The only way I can see your point is if your favorite musician is Barry Manilow, your favorite actor is Bill Cosby and your best friend is Mr.Rogers. fill me in, sir..

Author
JSU
Date
2006-04-27T15:08:21-06:00
ID
79681
Comment

Neither of my 2 best friends will use it. As you go down the line a few more spots one of my other friends will. He's a dentist and grew up partially in South Jackson and South Central, LA. He now lives in Washington, DC. I'm not sure why he hasn't ditched the word considering he was raised a Muslim. My favorite actor might be Samuel Jackson or Morgan Freeman or Denzel Washington. I do still like Bill Cosby, too. Not sure who my favorite is. I love all kinds of musicians, most of which are saints. I lie Paul Mooney although he way over the top. I also like Sinbad. The N word is still obscene to many, and absolutely unneccesary.

Author
Ray Carter
Date
2006-04-27T15:18:47-06:00
ID
79682
Comment

Ray Carter and JSU, you two debate like father and son!! :) It is really fascinating to just watch..... but it's hard not to involve myself in you all's discussion. * 2 cents* So I am wondering what the age difference is between you two. (rhetorical question) ....because a really good male friend and I were discussing the differences and more importantly the discontect between young and older males in the African American community, especially indealings with music and in the church. What are you all thoughts on this subject, if any?

Author
jan2006
Date
2006-04-27T15:33:03-06:00
ID
79683
Comment

I just hit the big 50 back in February. Considering JSU knows a little too much about Parliament and the Funkadelics I can't see him being too far behind me. I could be wrong.

Author
Ray Carter
Date
2006-04-27T15:41:16-06:00
ID
79684
Comment

I'll pitch in a penny before I go.... I feel as if most disconnects arise from an understated lack of respect for the other--as far as knowledge, consciousness, care. Add to this the seemed obstacle that black men have with communication itself. Of course, there is a matter of right/wrong, acceptable/unacceptable, so if one is doing something that the other attempts to check, pride kicks in. Oh, should I have put pride as #1?

Author
lilsoulja
Date
2006-04-27T15:45:23-06:00
ID
79685
Comment

thanks Ray, I just wanted to clear that up.

Author
JSU
Date
2006-04-27T15:46:16-06:00
ID
79686
Comment

I don't know, but pride is probably in the top three.

Author
jan2006
Date
2006-04-27T15:56:19-06:00
ID
79687
Comment

let's just say I'm an old soul that's a kid at heart. no far behind you though, Ray. And I've been hooked on parliament since my mom's first contraction with me. So much so that my dad told me that everytime they played Pfunk I would start moving in the womb so they decided to play it in the delivery room to help with my birth and it worked!

Author
JSU
Date
2006-04-27T16:15:26-06:00
ID
79688
Comment

Add to this the seemed obstacle that black men have with communication itself. Yeah, well, not on this site. ;-D Love it.

Author
DonnaLadd
Date
2006-04-27T20:26:52-06:00
ID
79689
Comment

JSU, Quit putting the blame for the struggels of black men on other people. There comes a point and time when you have to do something for yourself. I'm by no means rich or powerful, but I don't go around taking things that aren't mine because I don't have the things that I want. Quit copping out!

Author
CentralMSDawg
Date
2006-04-27T21:20:40-06:00
ID
79690
Comment

JSU, I'd like to rephase my last comment as a question. Are you putting the blame for the struggles of black men on others?

Author
CentralMSDawg
Date
2006-04-27T21:27:39-06:00
ID
79691
Comment

central it seems you defend all wrong

Author
WILLman
Date
2006-04-28T08:40:20-06:00
ID
79692
Comment

Willman, Sadly, I'm not the one that's all wrong here.

Author
CentralMSDawg
Date
2006-04-28T10:01:42-06:00
ID
79693
Comment

you is

Author
WILLman
Date
2006-04-28T10:45:06-06:00
ID
79694
Comment

central why haven't you commented on the 18 year old being assualted by the cops, the evidence is to much for you to be on the cops side, so your keeping your mouth shut, thats good if you can't play with the big dogs or be neutral on subjects stay on the porch.

Author
WILLman
Date
2006-04-28T10:48:00-06:00
ID
79695
Comment

Are you putting the blame for the struggles of black men on others? nope, not at all. Albert knows he's done some f-d up stuff to land him in the crosshiars of Jackson's #1 hater, Frank Melton. He's knows that. whether he's guilty of any of the charges Frank blames on him or not. First of all, dropping out and getting a GED was a BIG BOO BOO. I was a wild child myself and I learned early on that one of the best ways to stay out of trouble was to stay in the classroom, and on top of that end up learning something, meeting a new friend, girlfriend, prom date etc.. the mom had a wee bit fault but ultimatelyif albert wanted to right by himself, he would've. because if you can focus on rapping which takes concentration, you can focus on studying your books to past that exam.

Author
JSU
Date
2006-04-28T11:09:43-06:00
ID
79696
Comment

DONNA, You are one tough journalist! You make this community proud!My hat goes off to you and my hope is that this group of criticl thinkers will continue to share ideas and thoughts; thus, creating a better understanding of our past and present with high hopes for a productive and positive future. Our experiences may be different or the same; however, what is undenyable is the fact that there are some folks who really care about Jackson and its citizens and don't mind going out on the limb to protect the rights of others - no matter how wrong their past has been.

Author
justjess
Date
2006-04-28T11:56:25-06:00
ID
79697
Comment

WILLman, I have commented on the JPD vs 18yr case. I'm way off the porch so let's rock. Why don't you tell me how I am wrong about the topic of this thread. You say I'm wrong, but then can't back it up. Bring it on.

Author
CentralMSDawg
Date
2006-04-28T12:26:31-06:00
ID
79698
Comment

...if you can focus on rapping which takes concentration, you can focus on studying your books to past that exam. Oh so true and a very valid point that many young people do not take into consideration. This is applicable to so many aspects of young people's lives, especially those who stray from the right path. And by 'right path' I mean what someone else had commented on earlier: living life as a kid, getting education etc etc.

Author
jan2006
Date
2006-04-28T12:49:20-06:00
ID
79699
Comment

bring it on

Author
WILLman
Date
2006-04-28T13:27:49-06:00
ID
79700
Comment

this is marvelous reporting. Thank you.

Author
ATLExile
Date
2006-04-28T14:09:25-06:00
ID
79701
Comment

Quit putting the blame for the struggels of black men on other people. Dawg, you're sounding awfully privileged when you order another man how to think. Grow up. Not everybody agrees with you, and they're not going to respect you when you go around ordering others how to think. Why not listen and learn something new? Or, are you so wise that you don't need to know how someone else lives? Don't try my patience today. I jsut came out a five-hour interview, and am in no mood for rude B.S.

Author
DonnaLadd
Date
2006-04-28T16:21:12-06:00
ID
79702
Comment

Editor's Note: Several comments between Dawg, Ladd and Tom Head—resulting in Dawg telling us all to "go to hell"—have been moved to the JFP's Trollblog, in order to not disrupt the discussion on this thread. Troll comments posted on this thread going forward will be deleted without comment.

Author
CentralMSDawg
Date
2006-04-28T16:36:45-06:00
ID
79703
Comment

Hey, this will give y'all a chortle. Someone e-mailed me a posting from a trash-blog where some idiot took Ray Carter joke about the rap song, "Donna Is So Fly," seriously. There are some real dumba$$es out there. Now, I wouldn't mind having a rap song named after me, but I prefer that it not be by the Wood Street Players. ;-) G(iggling)MAO here.

Author
DonnaLadd
Date
2006-04-28T17:45:25-06:00
ID
79704
Comment

This is funny.

Author
Ray Carter
Date
2006-04-28T17:49:53-06:00
ID
79705
Comment

Hey, someone write me the lyrics! OK, I'm being a bit self-focused, I realize, but this is hysterical. Look what you did, Ray. Smooch.

Author
DonnaLadd
Date
2006-04-28T18:06:13-06:00
ID
79706
Comment

The story wasy great! Donna Ladd is excellent; the timing was great. Thanks for being brave enough to hear both stories and giving them the same opportunities that many publications and news stations don't. a man is innocent until proven guilty. Its not upon us to prove a man's guilt or innocense. If we leave it to the court system they will make the best decision based on the information presented. Again this is one of the best issues of the JFP that I have read so far. All the issues are great, but i was at a service station where the free press is distributed, and every person that i saw, black or white had a copy of the JFP. Keep up the good work. Black or White we need the Free Press.

Author
UrbanMogul
Date
2006-04-30T10:58:44-06:00
ID
79707
Comment

Here are the lyrics Albert sent me yesterday. It sounds more like a poem than a rap song. I told him I though Donna will like it anyway although a poet herself. He did the best he could with what he had. I hope I didn't make my usual errors in transmitting it on to y'all. Ms. Ladd is so fly Her competitors are so shy Ms. Ladd is so fly Her alternatives don't know why Ms. Ladd is so fly Her competotors are so shy She decamped New York and recoiled Mississippi Ms Ladd is so fly Her alternatives are wondering why She's helping us change and re-arrange Mississippi from the days of old She's smart, bold, and unwilling to be told (what to say or do) Some say there is no creator and there can't be an orator We thank God Ms. Ladd is so fly and we know why Ms. Ladd is so fly and hundreds by the day are learning why Ms. Ladd is so fly Her competitors are so shy Ms. Ladd is so fly Her alternatives still don't know why

Author
Ray Carter
Date
2006-05-01T10:46:10-06:00
ID
79708
Comment

WHERE IS VIDAL SULLIVAN???????????????????????????????????????????

Author
justjess
Date
2006-05-01T14:58:52-06:00
ID
79709
Comment

Just saw this, Ray. Giggle. You are so good when you're bad. ;-D

Author
DonnaLadd
Date
2006-05-01T15:11:54-06:00
ID
79710
Comment

Justjess, Vidal is baby sitting FM's kids.lol as well as Chris Walker

Author
jada
Date
2006-05-01T21:27:41-06:00
ID
79711
Comment

I hope everyone saw channel 16 news. FM came close to saying he was "president" of Jackson. This man has totally lost it! Faye Peterson is really coming after him. Jim Hood wusped out by coming behind Faye saying FM and his gun caring is a misdemeanor at best. Well a mayor convicted of a misdemeanor still would be removed from office!!! What makes him able to commit any kind of crime and get away with it?? Oh, this is the same man who stole water from the city for years and then told the reporter "you caught me". Also lets not also forget that this is the same man who lied under sworn testimony but no one has had the guts to pursue. Now that is a felony. Please someone (other than Donna) get some guts in this city and stop this criminal we call mayor!!

Author
maad
Date
2006-05-01T23:37:57-06:00
ID
79712
Comment

Funny, Ben and Larry think that since the JFP interviewed Batman that we think he is a hero. I didn't get that from a majority of posts on here. I'm sure we know Batman did many wrong things in the past - and we don't know if he will commit a crime again. But, right now he was AQUITTED OF MURDER, so he is free. Melton needs to quit dressing as a cop and carrying a gun onto some Mama's porch! Second, Mayor Melton made this guy the "star" he is - not anyone here. And what about the fact that our Mayor has other "most dangerous" criminals (or thugs as Ben and Larry likes to say) AT HIS OFFICE AT CITY HALL and AT HIS HOUSE! Glad to see the Councilman is cool with that! Why no mention that Melton gave money and cars to Walker which just allowed another criminal to walk? You guys sound petty when all you focus on is the use of the word "thug." Maybe the fact our mayor surrounds himself with criminals is why the criminals feel embolden lately? When your Mayor openly carries a weapon without permit then don't you think the kids will want to do the same? I mean he is SOOOO popular with the kids! Once again, would you allow your young child or grandchild to stay at his house for the evening?

Author
pikersam
Date
2006-05-02T08:11:37-06:00
ID
79713
Comment

Apparently, it takes a thug to stop a thug.

Author
Jeff Lucas
Date
2006-05-02T08:13:55-06:00
ID
79714
Comment

I Love JFP!

Author
UrbanMogul
Date
2006-05-02T10:02:13-06:00
ID
79715
Comment

Funny, Ben and Larry think that since the JFP interviewed Batman that we think he is a hero. That's simply moronic. Ben, at least, must be smarter than that. Mustn't he? Maybe he's fooled me all these months.

Author
DonnaLadd
Date
2006-05-02T11:27:11-06:00
ID
79716
Comment

But of course Batman is a hero. Look at how many times he saved Gotham City from the Joker! *pause* Uh, never mind. Cheers, TH

Author
Tom Head
Date
2006-05-02T13:29:57-06:00
ID
79717
Comment

Other people the JFP must consider heroes, by that standard: 1. Jim Giles 2. Roy McMillan 3. Frank Melton 4. Ben Allen! People James Dobson must consider a hero, by the same standard: 1. Ted Bundy Cheers, TH

Author
Tom Head
Date
2006-05-02T13:36:07-06:00
ID
79718
Comment

Yes, and by a same token, I consider the former Natchez Klansman a hero. Let's see, we've also interviewed Richard Barrett, and put Kate Medley's exclusive photo of Edgar Ray Killen at his home on the cover. More heroes there. Gotta love all that conservative "logic" they're so proud of. Ben, are we going to have to come to WJNT and do an intervention on you, man?

Author
DonnaLadd
Date
2006-05-02T13:43:29-06:00
ID
79719
Comment

The best "hero," yet: Wilson Carroll. ROTFLMAO.

Author
DonnaLadd
Date
2006-05-02T13:44:33-06:00
ID
79720
Comment

But that's just because he gave y'all chicken dinners, right? ;o) Insane. Ben is way too smart for scream radio. And it's not just right-wing radio, either; Air America is just as idiotic. I blame it on the format, which encourages macho, seat-of-the-pants, evidence-free ranting. Someone should do a study on how political tallk radio affects one's IQ. I'd be willing to bet it causes at least a temporary 15-point drop. Cheers, TH

Author
Tom Head
Date
2006-05-02T14:08:49-06:00
ID
79721
Comment

I just saw the 12pm news. FM reported that he had the meeting with the AG this am "....and I'm not changing anything that I'm doing. Jackson has a crime problem - Ya'll know that and the people elected me to fight crime." This joker has spun totally out of control and I really think that he has lied so much that he now believes himself. Madd gave a list of law breaking activities deserving of his removal from office. This man is on fire - when will someone put him out?? He (FM) dogged Faye Peterson. "She is incompetent and she has 2,000 felons walking the streets of Jackson." Does anyone know what happened in NY?? He is pretty quiet about thas trip. PS. Where is the $1,800 he used inadvertently to finance his and body-guard's vacation?? Where are the receipts from the $22,000 peti-cash fund of the Council?? Where are the plans for ground breaking (promised by the past administration) scheduled to begin in June (06). What is the plan for bringing Jackson back into a balanced-budget state and with a return of the rainy-day-fund left by both Ditto and Johnson?? Where is the participation from his wife who, according to him, would serve on his educational plan with Mrs. Barbour? Where is the Governor's wife?? Is she still a part of his team?? Is it really true that Jane Sargent, who was hired to replace Pat Fordice, works full time for the State of Arkansas?? Does anyone know of her contributions to the Cultural and Arts Division?? Last; but, not at all least, WHERE IS VIDAL SULLIVAN?????????????????????????????????????????????????

Author
justjess
Date
2006-05-02T15:29:07-06:00
ID
79722
Comment

Oops, I forgot to list the Convention Center when I mentioned ground breaking.

Author
justjess
Date
2006-05-02T15:32:42-06:00
ID
79723
Comment

As long as the media buys into Melton 's antics as "crime fighting", and continue to report them as such, people will believe it. Staged raids, semi-automatic toting bodyguards, cruising around in a mobile command vehicle and rummaging around in the trunks of teenage kids on a late Friday nite, IS NOT crime fighting. It is, as they say in Texas, all HAT and no cattle. People fail to realize that Melton's interference and incompetence as MBN director actually led to the results in the Wood Street cases...

Author
tomac
Date
2006-05-02T15:58:00-06:00
ID
79724
Comment

"You will see crime fighting like you have never seen it before."

Author
Ray Carter
Date
2006-05-02T16:00:14-06:00
ID
79725
Comment

justjess: "WHERE IS VIDAL SULLIVAN?????????????????????????????????????????????????" Sullivan has genuflected and accepted FM as his savior and benefactor, therefore he is now enjoying the grace and benevolance of hizzoner....don't you know that's how it works?

Author
tomac
Date
2006-05-02T16:02:03-06:00
ID
79726
Comment

I've seen crime fighting like this before....on the Cartoon Network.

Author
tomac
Date
2006-05-02T16:04:31-06:00
ID
79727
Comment

I just saw the 12pm news. FM reported that he had the meeting with the AG this am I was told today that the AG is out of the state, up north somewhere. dl

Author
DonnaLadd
Date
2006-05-02T16:28:03-06:00
ID
79728
Comment

ladd: "I was told today that the AG is out of the state, up north somewhere." When has a few facts ever gotten in the way of a Melton lie? Unfortunately, he is now targeting the DA because she has the audacity to question his authority and power....much as he does with the media and his young boys when they do it.

Author
tomac
Date
2006-05-02T16:38:31-06:00
ID
79729
Comment

Actually the WAPT 6pm report said the AG was out of state too! BTW: WAPT got a new site and it looks good.

Author
pikersam
Date
2006-05-02T18:22:58-06:00
ID
79730
Comment

Frank is getting on my nerves! Why o Why did these people vote him into office? While "Superman" was out chasing "Batman and the Robins", there were 3 shootings in 2 days. What does he have to say about that? Harvey told ya'll that Frank was just a bunch of 45 second soundbytes and no one listened. And look, he has proven Harvey right! His whole plight was to take the Mayor's office just so he could be a crimefighter. I keep hearing people say "Leave Frank alone, let him do his job..." The problem is, he's not doing his job. He is supposed to be the Mayor, not the Sheriff in the wild, wild, south. Frank has made our city more of a war zone than any "Batman" could. I can't stand his practices of calling the press up to his home on the hill, like he is the Messiah! And in his bedroom to boot! He couldn't even make up his bed.....Oh, I forgot, that's Smiley's (Christopher Walker) job. I was at Batman's trial, the whole 5 days, and the stories told by the so called witnesses didn't even add up. The real issue is, Frank let the real killers go, just to railroad Albert. Does this sound like he wants to make our city safe? Hell, I'm more afraid of Frank than I am of Albert Donelson, that's for sure.

Author
Help!!
Date
2006-05-03T14:05:30-06:00
ID
79731
Comment

Oh, and Donna, I would love to be a part of the forum. I know everyone involved in the case personally, from Frank to Albert Donelson and I have a lot I want to say. Just let me know the time, place and if I can be of any assisstance.

Author
Help!!
Date
2006-05-03T14:08:45-06:00
ID
79732
Comment

yes ejeff...it takes a thug to stop a thug per se'. Fight fire with fire. we'll see what happens.

Author
trusip
Date
2006-05-03T14:12:28-06:00
ID
79733
Comment

WAPT's Andrea Molloy has an interview with Batman tonight.

Author
DonnaLadd
Date
2006-05-30T20:12:58-06:00
ID
79734
Comment

It's would be quite ironic if Melton oversteps with Batman and gets charged with a felony for a false arrest or such. That could be the end of his mayoral term.

Author
DonnaLadd
Date
2006-05-30T20:14:12-06:00
ID
79735
Comment

Ladd we can only hope and wish.

Author
jada
Date
2006-05-30T22:21:12-06:00
ID
79736
Comment

WAPT is saying Frank is urging the justice department, feds, or U. S. Attorney to file civil rights charges against Batman. It's getting weirder day by day. We should learn which stutute was violated after he tell them.

Author
Ray Carter
Date
2006-05-31T14:15:34-06:00
ID
79737
Comment

Civil rights charges?

Author
DonnaLadd
Date
2006-05-31T14:19:35-06:00
ID
79738
Comment

Yes, civil rights violation charges. Apparently, he thinks Badman has done something that violates civil rights statutes of the United States of America. I have no idea which one(s). Hopefully, he or somebody will tell us.

Author
Ray Carter
Date
2006-05-31T14:39:16-06:00
ID
79739
Comment

Randy, what the hell is Melton talking about now, if anything, if you can tell us?

Author
Ray Carter
Date
2006-05-31T14:41:31-06:00
ID
79740
Comment

Yes, Randy (Batman's attorney), please tell us what you know.

Author
DonnaLadd
Date
2006-05-31T14:54:08-06:00

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