Is Bill O’Reilly In “Man-Love” With Ludacris…AGAIN!?

This HAS to infuriate him..the fact that O'Reilly realizes he has absolutely NO juice and Ludacris' career arguably has risen to even GREATER heights after he hated on him and cost him that Pepsi endorsement. Now a GRAMMY...ROTFL..I LOVE IT

"I really admired Motown, the Temptations, the Four Tops, Earth, Wind & Fire...but now, I think that this rap stuff has destroyed music, because this is what is honored" is a mind-blowingly offensive statement, not because he's being critical of the hip-hop industry, but because he is making a "good blacks"/"bad blacks" connection between old Motown, new Motown, and hip-hop that isn't really relevant to the discussion.

It would be sort of like if he said "I really admired Dr. Martin Luther King, J.C. Watts, and Alan Keyes...but now, I think that Jesse Jackson has destroyed politics." When blacks had less social parity, O'Reilly seems to be saying, "they" produced great music; now that blacks are not acting subservient, "they" have destroyed music. Gee. Not just produced bad music, not just produced offensive music, but destroyed music, from Debussy and Vivaldi to Slipknot and Papa Roach, they've destroyed it all, leaving a barren landscape. There goes the neighborhood, huh? "If only we could make things like they were before..."

Not to mention the fact that soul is very much alive. There was no signed agreement by the black community to abruptly stop producing old-school R&B and start producing hip-hop. It's just that the white suburban kids of O'Reilly's listeners buy a lot more rap, so that's what's raking in the big bucks.

Note to O'Reilly: Don't comment on things you don't understand. And listen to some friggin' John Legend and Mary J. Blige before you start rambling like an idiot about how much you liked groups that haven't recorded in 30 years.


Cheers,

TH

Oh, and I say this as someone who thinks that Ludacris is a misogynistic scumbag. But see, I can say that because I've actually listened to enough of his stuff to know he's a misogynistic scumbag.

The Four Tops? Give me a break, O'Reilly.


Cheers,

TH

And by the way: If Roman Polanski can win an Oscar after raping a 13-year-old girl, Ludacris winning a Grammy is NOTHING.

The problem is not black music. The problem, if we choose to see it as a problem, is that moral considerations are not generally taken into account when artistic awards are given.


Cheers,

TH

What ever...three is all you need: 1. Miles Davis 2. Sting/Police and 3. Bob Marley! All other music is worthless :-)

Bill O'Reilly is the epitome of white supremacy and the notion that all white is right, the paradign, model, and utopia for what is right, decent and good. Rappers, many of which are misguided and crazy as hell, are not old school uncle toms or wanna-be-like-white-folks many negroes are. Rappers question all notions of racism, white supremacy, even old notions of blackness, and everything in between. Many rappers, if not most, are trying to do things their way. Of course, the problem is too little guidance and lack of any willingness to listen to those others who have already been down this road. Too many don't know know sh!t from shinola. The blind can't successfully lead the blind, but a one-eyed man can be king, even if that eye is bad. This seems to be the motto of too many of them and thier fans.

And they're totally without any meaningful sense of history. If you don't know where you have been you're destined to return.

What all of us must do who are concerned about transcending and transforming the past is constantly engage in ongoing critical self-reflection and analysis, and be willing to engage, discuss and listen to others. Are rappers willing to do this?

Big Tee:

You should've put Trane on the list.

Whole lotta other people should be on this list. King, do you mean Coltrane? Bob is clearly the master and king of reggae. Miles arguably the master of the trumpet and a great composer in Jazz but then there are other guys named Louis Armstrong, Hugh Masakela, and Duke Ellington, pianist and composer, who Miles said the following about :"every musician should get on their knees once a year and thank God for Duke Ellington." Then there is Motown, STAX, TSOP and so many more groups and labels of equal and greater acclaim. Sting and the Police are good but there are many rock groups just as good and better.

If I have to tell you who I mean by Trane..................

I have some of his albums. Who is Bird?

are you going to shoot me in the head for not knowing the answer?

King, I know you know who he was and lots of things about music.

what would you recommend of his?

I was referring to a scene in Collateral. pay attention.