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Out With the Old: Obama Clinches

Finally, we can get that Clinton baggage off our backs and move on. The Associated Press says Obama has "effectively" clinched the nomination. Big sigh of relief. Out with the old.

Previous Comments

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130393
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Meantime, Clinton I acts a fool. This campaign has been rough, but in many ways I'm glad that so many people have seen what these people are really about. I mean, they played the race card in ways that should make every card-carrying southern strategist proud. I just want them to go away.

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DonnaLadd
Date
2008-06-03T11:40:09-06:00
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130394
Comment

Oh, and here's the Vanity Fair article that's got everyone's new favorite southern strategy ticked off.

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DonnaLadd
Date
2008-06-03T11:43:12-06:00
ID
130395
Comment

Wee Doggie! I don't know if we (dual meaning) will be able to take Bill or Hillary back after that campaign. However, love suffereth so long, is not puffed up, supposedly never ends, is blind and crazy, causes black eyes and bruises egos and so on. Who knows, maybe we will. However, he's going to have to re-earn our respect and love with some kind of amazing acts of valor. Coulter comes to mind.

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Walt
Date
2008-06-03T11:52:00-06:00
ID
130396
Comment

Somehow the website repeats the last word of my fist line on the second line every post. What's causing this? It's not me.

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Walt
Date
2008-06-03T11:53:41-06:00
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130398
Comment

For some reason, it didn't do it with your last post, Walt!

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Kacy
Date
2008-06-03T12:25:32-06:00
ID
130407
Comment

The Clintons just seem addicted to trailer-park drama. And I say that as someone who knows it well. And I really, really don't want her as vice president. I'm so sick of Clintons (and Bushes) that I could scream.

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DonnaLadd
Date
2008-06-03T13:59:17-06:00
ID
130418
Comment

After hearing Bill Clinton's rant this morning, I don't want to see Hillary being Obama's VP pick now. I can understand standing by your man (or in this case, woman), but Bill seems more apt to divide the Democrats rather than unite them behind Obama. Sure, they got their feelings hurt assuming they would wrap up the nomination by February and not having a strategy afterwards, but being bitter about it could give us a four-year extension of Bush via John McCain.

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golden eagle
Date
2008-06-03T15:36:50-06:00
ID
130421
Comment

Come on now. Where is your understanding? The Clintons thought we were their Boo. Bill has lost his mine and Hillary wants to do the right thang but Robertson and Haggard have been whispering in her ear lately. You know what, the Clinton have forgotten the false legacy they fostered the last couple of decades and have fallen back to the primitive instincts of people during the times in which they were born. Lawd have mercy.

Author
Walt
Date
2008-06-03T15:55:22-06:00
ID
130422
Comment

Walt, love is long suffering; however, we are not meant to be fools. JC instructs: "Do not throw your pearls to pigs". I have switched Clinton allegiances and sympathies. Bill used to be my guy, but now I feel for Hillary. Who can blame her for being ornery when she has to deal with such a loose cannon. I was not opposed to the idea of Hillary as VP at one point, but now it seems that Bill is the one who might be more unpredictable and more of a liability than Rev. Wright and Father Pfluger combined! Blame Viagra! Viva Viagra!

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FreeClif
Date
2008-06-03T15:56:06-06:00
ID
130429
Comment

Clinton fatigue is part of the reason Obama picked up as much support as he did initially.

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Jeff Lucas
Date
2008-06-03T16:27:51-06:00
ID
130431
Comment

I think Bill's most recent rant gave superdelegates a reason to come out of the closet for Obama.

Author
FreeClif
Date
2008-06-03T16:37:13-06:00
ID
130433
Comment

Yeah, me too. Superdelegates: Meet the Clinton true colors, and what they look like when they don't get their way.

Author
DonnaLadd
Date
2008-06-03T16:43:39-06:00
ID
130434
Comment

And I really, really don't want her as vice president. I'm so sick of Clintons (and Bushes) that I could scream. I hate to tell you this, but she may get picked as VP because her supporters may vote for McCain or stay home if she's not on the ticket.

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LatashaWillis
Date
2008-06-03T16:56:39-06:00
ID
130436
Comment

I'm not sure I really believe that. I think a lot of those were cross-overs. If they're for real, and considering how close many of their policies are, I'd say the Democratic Party has some real racists in its midst.

Author
DonnaLadd
Date
2008-06-03T17:02:32-06:00
ID
130437
Comment

Yes, there were a lot of crossovers, but I've heard about polls that indicated that many Clinton supporters would vote for McCain or stay home in protest, and I've heard the same about many Obama supporters, too. That's why I think Obama may consider Clinton - to mend their party. However, I think that it's possible for Obama to pick someone else as a running mate and still do very well once everyone gets a chance to cool off over the next few months and look at the big picture: preventing a possible third Bush term by proxy.

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LatashaWillis
Date
2008-06-03T17:16:23-06:00
ID
130438
Comment

...I'd say the Democratic Party has some real racists in its midst. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I present Exhibit "A': http://youtube.com/watch?v=VeGPzk8Oca8

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Jeff Lucas
Date
2008-06-03T17:17:26-06:00
ID
130439
Comment

I can't *stand* the Clintons–aw, Chelsea is OK–but I would have held my nose and voted for her over McCain.

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DonnaLadd
Date
2008-06-03T17:19:52-06:00
ID
130440
Comment

In addition to that, Donna, I didn't feel too bad about McCain possibly winning at first because I thought he was more moderate, but his true colors are showing. It seems like everyone's true colors are showing after such a nasty battle.

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LatashaWillis
Date
2008-06-03T17:22:58-06:00
ID
130441
Comment

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I present Exhibit "A': Yes, Jeff, that is EXACTLY what I mean. You know McCain is sitting back and eating all of this up, right?

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LatashaWillis
Date
2008-06-03T17:28:18-06:00
ID
130442
Comment

Sure he is, L.W. The longer the Dems act like DIMS and keep up the race/gender infighting they will lose ground in making the case that they are prepared to lead the country. That only works to McCain's advantage.

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Jeff Lucas
Date
2008-06-03T17:48:02-06:00
ID
130443
Comment

I didn't feel too bad about McCain possibly winning at first because I thought he was more moderate, but his true colors are showing. Agreed. I used to think he wasn't so bad, either. But now he is pandering and making excuses for real stupidity in order to get votes. And back then, we didn't have a lot of options. Now, we don't. Obama is a really refreshing change.

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DonnaLadd
Date
2008-06-03T17:52:34-06:00
ID
130446
Comment

Well, it's a done deal. 2119 delegates. History has been made.

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LatashaWillis
Date
2008-06-03T19:11:58-06:00
ID
130447
Comment

I have to admit that I just shed a tear or two. I'm very proud to be an American tonight, and that feels great to say.

Author
DonnaLadd
Date
2008-06-03T19:31:53-06:00
ID
130448
Comment

As a black man, I must say that I may've never been any prouder of my country than I am now. That I'm alive to see a another black become the first black become the nominee of a major party for--and possibly becoming--president of the United States. Obama being a black man is not the reason I'm voting for him. That would one of the very last reasons on my list. In America, if you can dream it and work hard at it, you can become anything you want.

Author
golden eagle
Date
2008-06-03T19:41:17-06:00
ID
130449
Comment

No, it's not the reason I'm supporting him, either. But I sure am glad the best candidate is getting there despite his race–and all the attempts to play the race card on him from both Republicans and Democrats. I truly believe this is the year, the first one ever, when most Americans reject racism. Obama inspires; he's what our young people need. All of them. What's so fabulous is that they are the ones putting him there, kicking the old guard of both parties right in the ass.

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DonnaLadd
Date
2008-06-03T19:53:48-06:00
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130451
Comment

She doesn't know when to stop. New York Times tonight: Mrs. Clinton acknowledged that her path to the nomination had closed, but she did not leave the race. "This has been a long campaign and I will be making no decisions tonight," Mrs. Clinton said. She said she would be speaking with party officials about her next move. In a combative speech, she again presented her case that she was the stronger candidate and argued that she had won the popular vote, a notion disputed by the Obama campaign. "I want the 18 million Americans who voted for me to be respected," she said in New York to loud cheers.

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DonnaLadd
Date
2008-06-03T20:17:33-06:00
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130452
Comment

2132 delegates. Even I didn't expect that many.

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LatashaWillis
Date
2008-06-03T20:19:50-06:00
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130453
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Text of Obama's speech As he exits, they're playing "Signed, Sealed, Delivered" by Stevie Wonder. :-) Off topic: I loved Michelle's dress!

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LatashaWillis
Date
2008-06-03T20:45:54-06:00
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130454
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Michelle looked drop-dead gorgeous–and powerful–today. We just watched the speech. The crowd was electrifying. That, friends, is what America looks like. It won't look like that when the Repubs show up in September. Go, Obama.

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DonnaLadd
Date
2008-06-03T20:55:40-06:00
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130455
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Tonight was the first night of the entire campaign season that i felt like i had a real connection with Hillary and her supporters. Watching her come out and shake young women's hands, looking out over the crowd and feeling the excitement that was still brimming despite an obvious defeat, Hillary finally seemed able to let go of her incessant penchant for triangulation and speak very genuinely and openly from her heart. You heard her take an opportunity to sum up what is most important to her in public service and try to send it into the political conversation so that it might float on past her concession of this ambition. You truly felt a finality in her tone, a sense that this was her historical speech to characterize this entire episode of her life. As i watched her walk out this evening, i suddenly realized that i could still forgive and forget all the vile and dispicable tactics the Clintons relied on to make their case to the American people. i thought, if she can just come out, recognize the accomplishments of her campaign and then support Barack Obama in his race for the White House, i can embrace her and be happy for wherever her career takes her. She didn't do it this evening - but if she can manage to pull it together soon, i think the story in the media will stop being about a divided Democratic party. i don't really believe that story anyway.

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daniel johnson
Date
2008-06-03T21:22:50-06:00
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130456
Comment

And as far as VP goes - Hillary's politic style is simply dissonant with the culture and narrative Obama leads by. Obama is now responsible for choosing a running mate who can best assist in creating the political environment he envisions. His choice will have a profound effect on his moving forward an agenda. Besides, Barack would have to hire a food taster if she was next in line.

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daniel johnson
Date
2008-06-03T21:26:30-06:00
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130457
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Besides, Barack would have to hire a food taster if she was next in line. LOL Daniel that is what I have been saying too! I am really happy that Obama will be the nominee. It most certainly is time for a change.

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andi
Date
2008-06-03T21:44:37-06:00
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130458
Comment

Now Im going to make perhaps an unpopular statement but the realness in me prohibits me from letting it slide. Obama has energized this country indeed. I am a witness to history and a supporter. With that said, whether you want to acknowledge it or not, Obama does not play well with the blue collar set. White voters in the Appalachias, Pennsylvania, swing states like Ohio and Florida. Fact is a percentage of white voters have clearly proven that we have not eradicated the issue of racism. Out of pure spite(did anyone see the Hillary delegate from NY on youtube?)some voters will vote for McCain just to NOT vote for Obama. In West Virginia, lifelong dems said they would vote for MCCain if Obama was the nominee. THAT WILL be a problem in a general election. Im already frightened..in an election where Dems should smash a splintered, weakened, unpopular Republican party..this is going to be closer than it should be. Simply put. To present a united front and to garner a segment of the community that Obama cannot get(and I disagree that he can win without that segment)He MUST choose Hillary as VP to win. JFK had to take a running mate he loathed and BArack must as well. History shows a Democratic party that has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. We cannot leave that to chance. Hillary must be VP.

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Kamikaze
Date
2008-06-03T22:00:27-06:00
ID
130459
Comment

Kaze, the reason the Clinton supporters chanted "McCain '08" was because they were the sort of Democrats who always flip Republican in national elections. (Note that they didn't chant "Hillary for Veep"; they chanted "McCain '08." That was their next objective.) The only reason they supported Clinton in the first place was to stop Obama, and they're not going to put that goal aside if Clinton happens to be the running mate. Now, I think a good case can be made for an Obama/Clinton ticket based on uniting the party...but Clinton will not bring in the "I just can't vote for Obama because we've had bad experiences with those people" voters in the general election. They didn't even like her until they realized that she was their best hope of preventing Obama from becoming president, and as soon as she and Obama are on the same page, they'll be over in the Republican column like they usually are.

Author
Tom Head
Date
2008-06-03T22:29:19-06:00
ID
130460
Comment

Indeed there are those who will not support an Obama ticket regardless of who is the running mate. You're right. But Obama has some glaring vulnerabilities. And we're doing him a disservice or blinded by the immense hype if we dont acknowledge them. In a sports analogy this is the playoffs. The regular(primary) season means nothing and weve got to make key adjustments. With older folks particulary some older women, working class folks in the midwest', and those southern dixiecrats..those folks who wont stomach a Black man as president under any circumstances regardless of party. He has to address these..I would say John Edwards but Hillary's got 18 million votes sitting there..and you take out the ignorant ones who'll vote for McCain bcause of skin color and you got 12 million easy at least. And NO.I dont think those who cross over and vote for McCain will do so for the ''issues'' Obama clearly trumps him on those and is clearly the better candidate.

Author
Kamikaze
Date
2008-06-04T06:17:36-06:00
ID
130461
Comment

Excellent comments, Kaze.

Author
Jeff Lucas
Date
2008-06-04T07:12:08-06:00
ID
130462
Comment

I agree with Tom's assessment of the matter. I hate the Clintons by now. Sheryl Underwood previously called Hillary a bubble-eyed trick which I used to resent. I don't resent it any more after last night. How could she not concede? She's racist and like many will do anything to weaken a black man who has defeated her fairly. I can't understand why some black people have this compulsion to pander to and try to please racist white folks who hates blacks. I say ____ them and they can go to hell. Jesus can't win over Satan. He has to defeat him! I have also lost all respect for James Carville. I've always thought something was wrong with him. If you hang out with and sleep with dogs you get fleas (the Clintons and Matlin). My hope is that Obama runs with dignity by trying to win over everyone, but not to waste his time begging racists who hates blacks to support him. Those kinds will vote republican. I also hope Obama's advisors are smart enough to tell him to court and win those who aren't racist and he will win anyway. We should leave courting racist to the people still oblivious enough to think they can be enlightened and saved. A few can. Most can't. Obama doesn't have time to waste on them. I too was happy to see Obama finally clinch. The real batte is now ahead and America and Americans will be revealed as they truly are. I'm an optimist and expect good to win over bad. I don't beleive we're stupid enough to choose another republicans. I have been saying for years that republicans are evil and bad for the country. Can there be any doubt at this point since we have the biggest government of all times, the biggest federal deficit, the biggest trade decifit, et al. The republicans and conservatives have failed to deliver any of the things they promised to deliver. They're as phony as an 8 dollar bill and I have no reluctance to saying it because I know it's true. I won't even mention the family values bullshit. Watch out because they will soon show us more what kind of family values they really have.

Author
Walt
Date
2008-06-04T08:03:23-06:00
ID
130463
Comment

My apology for my errors. My writing is terrible when I wounded up. Spellcheck could have saved me but I'm too stupid to use it.

Author
Walt
Date
2008-06-04T08:25:43-06:00
ID
130464
Comment

LW Wrote: I loved Michelle's dress! At the risk of sounding soft (for a macho man) I loved it too. I also like the way they seem like they are really into one another. The way that he looks at her and relates to her may be the kind of leadership by example that young, irresponsible males need. Love and respect that strong woman! Despite all the ill will, Michelle seems to have a lot more in commone with Hillary Clinton than with Laura Bush or Cindy McCain (maybe it's a Dem thing).

Author
FreeClif
Date
2008-06-04T08:33:27-06:00
ID
130465
Comment

Laura and Cindy remind me of the way Mrs. Anne was while married to master during slavery, reconstruction and the Jim Crow errors and era. They knew lots of things were wrong but felt powerless and compulsed to just go along with the program. For you see, Mrs. Anne was a victim, too, as quietly as it was kept.

Author
Walt
Date
2008-06-04T08:43:24-06:00
ID
130466
Comment

What about people (like me) who can't stomach voting for Obama if Hillary is the VP? And if he chooses her so he can be sure and get all the racist votes (which is what it sounds like we're really talking about here), isn't that sort of selling out? Saying, "Well, I'd love to win on my own as a black man, but there's still all these racists who won't vote for me, so I'll take the white lady to help me get those votes." Something about that doesn't sit right with me. I want to see the black candidate win on his own, just as I would love to see a female candidate win on her own, not because of who her husband is/was.

Author
andi
Date
2008-06-04T08:52:10-06:00
ID
130467
Comment

I understand the logic of people who support Hillary for VP. A lot of intelligent people support that move. I worry more about Bill creating bad scenes than about Hillary. She's a trooper, a soldier; I think she would lock and load and go after McCain by any means necessary just like she has gnashed at Barry, but there may be something wrong with Bill --- it seems like he is prone to say the weirdest things lately. Barry can win without the Appalaichan vote. His electoral strategy is totally different from the status quo that so many have bought into. So many have bought into the illusion that the media has sold about him not getting white, working class votes. An analysis of the geographic pattern reveals the problem with the white working class is mainly in Appalaicha, Arkansas (mountainous areas lol). He can win without Florida, Pennsylvania or West Virginia. He is strong in other regions such as Colorado, New Mexico, the west coast, the midwest and can even dip down and make a play in Virginia. He can win without the Clinton baggage if he has someone like a Evan Bayh or Strickland of Ohio on the ticket. Ohio is the key as it was in 2004.

Author
FreeClif
Date
2008-06-04T09:03:15-06:00
ID
130468
Comment

I agree with you Andi. I don't want Hillary as vp either at this point, but I'll hold my nose, pretend I'm blind or leave my brain at home and vote the ticket anyway. There ain't no way in hell I'd vote for a republican now. Not even for McCain who isn't the ole style republican. If another republican wins the presidency any time soon the whole country might get sold to China, Japan and Saudi Arabia in the neverending trade deficit saga. I consider not voting as voting for a republican too considering the dire straits the county is in now due to republican control and inability to govern and lead.

Author
Walt
Date
2008-06-04T09:13:45-06:00
ID
130469
Comment

That's the thing Walt, I don't want to vote for McCain either. I don't know what I will do if Hillary is VP... I may have to hold my nose. But I will truly be worried about Obama's safety if she is VP. She wants to be president more than she cares about anything else.

Author
andi
Date
2008-06-04T09:18:18-06:00
ID
130470
Comment

Besides Bill, another negative is that Hill went beyond what is considered acceptable in her campaign against Obama by actually praising McCain as being superior to Obama as a possible Commander in Chief. Bill said it would be nice if the general election could be between two candidates who both love America or something close. She could be a constant campaign commercial for the opposition. The things that the governor of Ohio said were more regular campaign stuff that he can easily pivot away from such as "Obama is just a rock star", "He gives great speeches...etc.(the usual campaign trail hatin')". She would also turn off some of his liberal/moderate Republican support and independents. With her, it would not be a simple win, but you would gain some voters and donors and lose others.

Author
FreeClif
Date
2008-06-04T09:35:51-06:00
ID
130477
Comment

"...Something about that doesn't sit right with me. I want to see the black candidate win on his own, just as I would love to see a female candidate win on her own, not because of who her husband is/was".... I agree 100% Andi. It sucks. To put it bluntly. However the realist and businessman in me understands that considering our country's current climate SOME(not all) white voters and SOME blacks will not elect a Black man to the office of President on his own merits. That said. I firmly believe Hillary could win with or without Bill had she won the nomination. Im a firm believer in first getting into the system first that changing from within. You cant do much from without. That goes in a lot of walks of life music and politics included. This is not someone becoming manager at Dillards or being chosen as Chairman of a Fortune 500 company. This is the office of President of the United States. A candidate must use every advantage legally and morally available to get the win. And taking on a VP because he/she can bring you a segment of voters that you are not strong with is cool. Lets do what we must to get our guy elected FIRST. Once we're in the big show then the change he will bring can happen. But he's not in yet. .."An analysis of the geographic pattern reveals the problem with the white working class is mainly in Appalaicha, Arkansas (mountainous areas lol). He can win without Florida, Pennsylvania or West Virginia. He is strong in other regions such as Colorado, New Mexico, the west coast, the midwest and can even dip down and make a play in Virginia."... And I disagree Walt and Whitley. Right now, I dont think he can win without those areas he's weak in. Don't like the fact that there's even chinks in the armor.But Im leaving nothing to chance.

Author
Kamikaze
Date
2008-06-04T11:56:53-06:00
ID
130478
Comment

"...Hill went beyond what is considered acceptable in her campaign against Obama by actually praising McCain as being superior to Obama..." You're right on the money Whitley. I don't feel I have to overcome my dislike of Hillary or hold my nose and vote for her. Just the opposite. Hillary has to take at least some first steps toward overcoming her own expressed racism, then I might consider giving her my vote.

Author
willdufauve
Date
2008-06-04T11:58:32-06:00
ID
130479
Comment

He can strengthen his base without actually putting Hill on the ticket. What about: Get a strong Clinton supporter from Ohio who has 80% popularity in Ohio on as VP and offer Clinton a position on the Supreme Court? He could also offer a cabintet position. The Supreme Court is a lifetime appointment and she would be the defender of women's rights on the court until she croaks!

Author
FreeClif
Date
2008-06-04T12:04:27-06:00
ID
130482
Comment

I keep seeing this story and keep thinking this isn't going to be close to inclusive. Also, I think it's absurd that the media was working overtime to kneecap Hillary's campaign for the last four months, all but outright begging her to quit so she wouldn't hurt their chosen candidate.

Author
Ironghost
Date
2008-06-04T12:29:04-06:00
ID
130483
Comment

What media? I guess Sly as a Fox news doesn't count. I don't remember them doing anything to help Obama. I don't know what you mean by inclusive, but I know already that Obama has a beautiful coalition of people from all races and sexes supporting him. He won't have to use any "stage or podium negroes" or "other races" to appear inclusive to all, like the repugnants have done shamelessly.

Author
Walt
Date
2008-06-04T12:41:46-06:00
ID
130486
Comment

Oh, Hi. MSNBC is all but admitted Obama-Messiah fans. Olberman has pretty much tanked NBC's rep as a news organization. CBS and ABC aren't far behind in the worship of the Dem's new messiah. We're talking giving him a free pass everything: 57 states, Wright, Akers et al...

Author
Ironghost
Date
2008-06-04T13:25:59-06:00
ID
130487
Comment

As bad as the sorry ass republicans have screwed up the past score plus several years; anyone with modicum of intellect and common sense would be ready to run off those damn no good, lying and corrupt republicans. If you and other republicans weren't blind and intent on destroying America you too would be lined up behind Obama or some other savior. Oberman has lots of sense. He said y'all weren't about jack long before I started saying it too. Hi to you too, Ghost. Come on home ghost, we need you. [offensive comment snipped]

Author
Walt
Date
2008-06-04T13:35:59-06:00
ID
130488
Comment

[quote]Once we turn this thing around we may start lining up republicans and shooting them to make sure we never morph to this low level again.[/quote] Exactly what I mean, everyone. Democrats have no intention of being inclusive. No Walt, I have no intention of voting democrat. They ran Mississippi for 120 years and did nothing for it. I'd much rather vote for a "Corrupt" Republican than a Socialist/Democrat.

Author
Ironghost
Date
2008-06-04T13:38:42-06:00
ID
130489
Comment

Those Democrats you speak of running Missisippi for 120 years are today's republican by-products. We both know it. The ones you're talking about ran Mississppi like the slave plantation it was. Present day republicans can never fool intelligent people about what they are now - a scourge on society and humanity that have harmed, robed, divided, lied to and plagued the populace in a manner few or no other group ever has. Y'all are not the old and glorious republicans of yesteryear and most of you would die and go to hell 2 times before you would ever become that. And I know those old, dead and glorious republicans of yesteryear are appalled that you all call yourself republicans. The name once meant something good. Even my 7 year old grandson can see through this bullcrap.

Author
Walt
Date
2008-06-04T13:51:51-06:00
ID
130490
Comment

Olberman is an excellent broadcaster and an amazing talent. I marvel at how he made the transition from ESPN to hard news..now he dabbles in both sports(Sunday night Football) AND hard news(MSNBC) and I hear he's the number 1 guy over there as of yesterday. Kudos..Besides any one guy who can piss off and rattle EVERY person at Fox News is cool with me. He calmly drives them crazy! They spent 15 minutes of airtime just this mornig ranting about him.. And IG if you mean that Olberman is not ''real journalism'' like Hannity and Bill O Reilly arent ''real journalism'' then sure Ill agree. Those two guys are THE worst examples of news anchors/talk show hosts Ive seen to date..Ive got a running count going to see how many times Hannity is going to say Ayers, Wright, and Flager in a row. He repeated them 10 times last night to whoever would listen..non-issues Sean..no ones listening.

Author
Kamikaze
Date
2008-06-04T13:58:05-06:00
ID
130491
Comment

Also my lost friend Ironghost, I just tried to include you. I asked you to come join us. I know you won't though. The beautiful look, appearance and substance of the Democratic party aren't for every one. You gotta be secure and loving of all humankind to be one of us. Still, you're welcome to join us if you like to. Olberman is excellent but he'd need to be Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter and O'Reilly to appeal to some people.

Author
Walt
Date
2008-06-04T14:06:14-06:00
ID
130492
Comment

According to the washington post it appears Hillary is now trying to get the vp spot. Putting Hillary in that spot would be like my hiring Ironghost to watch my back. I wouldn't have a back that needs watching for long. I think I'd tell Hillary to go to hell and take 18 million voters with her.

Author
Walt
Date
2008-06-04T14:56:23-06:00
ID
130493
Comment

Additionally, Obama has selected Caroline Kennedy to help find a vice-presidental candidate. I don't think she likes Hillary too much, by this point. Who does?

Author
Walt
Date
2008-06-04T15:01:19-06:00
ID
130494
Comment

LoL. Walt. But if youre running for President you NEVER say no to 18 million votes!

Author
Kamikaze
Date
2008-06-04T15:08:16-06:00
ID
130495
Comment

Ironghost wrote: "the media was working overtime to kneecap Hillary's campaign for the last four months...giving him a free pass." I guess the "free pass" was the two months of non-stop 24/7 repeating of the same stuff over and over about Wright, flag pins, who loves America more? Idiot stuff that has nothing to do with policy positions? I agree with you about Olbermann being harsh on Hillary; however, MSNBC often had many others who were non-stop bringing up the aforementioned stupid stuff (Morning Joe, Pat Robertson, Lou Dobbs plus ABC, CNN, etc.). It is strange that you do not find anything in Hillary's strategy of not competing after SuperTuesday or not contesting caucuses to blame. I guess Ironghost wants all media to be like George Stephanopoulos asking stupid questions like, "Does Rev. Wright love America...?".

Author
FreeClif
Date
2008-06-04T15:18:37-06:00
ID
130496
Comment

I know Kaze, but i'm still mad at the difficult _____ and her husband, the latent old southern white man who we thought was an undercover brother. That would be Bill.

Author
Walt
Date
2008-06-04T15:19:44-06:00
ID
130498
Comment

Ironghost refers to Dems as socialists; however, when Clinton left office there was a huge government surplus and since then there has been an unprecedented spending binge on a war with "socialist-like" benefits and windfalls for oil companies, Halliburton and many other large corporations. I guess Ironghost is o.k. with socialism as long as it benefits the wealthy and large corporations at the expense of little people.

Author
FreeClif
Date
2008-06-04T15:47:49-06:00
ID
130500
Comment

Sho you right, Whitley. I figured out a few years ago with the help of a very wise old white man that the average republican don't even know what a republican is or is supposed to be. Nor do they keep any check and balance process to determine whether the republican leaders or party memebers meet their promises or merit their continued support. All the average republican knows is that the party is mostly white, doesn't care much for blacks, prefers the rich which 90 percent of them aren't, and there is a global goal to keep my black booty out of the mainstream of the American success story. All most will say when questioned is they want no new taxes and smaller government. Most are too stupid to realize how much Reagan and both Bushs enlarged government. After this damn republican war the government is going to need new taxes and personal property of individuals to sell to make up for a depleted worth or stature of the United States of America. We better hope China and Japan never demand all the money we owe them right now.

Author
Walt
Date
2008-06-04T16:06:32-06:00
ID
130501
Comment

Right. If the wingnuts really love America more than Rev. Wright, then they would be concerned that over the past 8 years we have gone DEEPLY in hock to COMMUNIST CHINA! Our deficit financed war has been financed in large part due to the willingness of the COMMUNIST Chinese (you wingnuts) to buy over 1 TRILLION dollars in U.S. government bonds. They are not just wingnuts, they are wingnuts who worship policies that are putting us in hock to a COMMUNIST government. Their stupidity is AMAZING. Someone should be held accountable. What do we do Ironghost if the Chinese decide to cash in their bonds? Blame the the newly elected DEM? Thank goodness for Olberman!

Author
FreeClif
Date
2008-06-04T16:14:19-06:00
ID
130502
Comment

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/10/23/opinion/edchina.php I wonder why the wingnuts hate America?

Author
FreeClif
Date
2008-06-04T16:37:50-06:00
ID
130504
Comment

Olberman is excellent but he'd need to be Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter and O'Reilly to appeal to some people. If you mean as far as having a radio show, I definitely agree. Otherwise, I like his style just the way it is.

Author
golden eagle
Date
2008-06-04T18:57:28-06:00
ID
130505
Comment

Democratic primary voters must choose one candidate over the other. Alot of people chose Hillary. 18 million Democrats preferred Clinton to Obama. i do not believe it follows that because they would choose Hillary over Obama that these same Democrats would choose McCain over Obama. This contest has involved the American public in the development of the storyline more than any i have witnessed. It would follow that the voters would become keen to how their answers to exit polls effect the course of media dialogue. i think Hillary supporters were generally merely making a political move when they said they would not vote for Obama in November. That said, i also believe many of the "Hillary supporters" were Republican. In Mississippi, of Republicans who voted in the Democratic primary, 75% went for Hillary Clinton. Registered Republicans in Mississippi were not seriously planning for voting Clinton over McCain in November. Of those racist still alive and well who also feel strongly about voting for the Democratic candidate for President. i think few of them could stand to vote for McCain. i also think that their numbers will be far out-weighed by the incredible mass of new voters Obama has brought into the electorate with the use of his mad voter registration skills.

Author
daniel johnson
Date
2008-06-04T19:15:51-06:00
ID
130509
Comment

Kaze, you are right on with your thinking. I want Democrat Obama in the White House and I am signing up to volunteer to work toward that goal. In another vein, I know that many of you have a much better overview of the situation than do I, but as a 65 year old female who is not racist I supported Hillary because she and I have both (and most women our age) lived our lives overcoming gender discrimination--being born within a generation of women getting the right to vote; being aware that that women were once legally treated as chattel in state law; and living and working during a time when women, like all individuals who are discriminated against, paid a heavy price for it. Bottom line: A great many of us who supported Hillary were not Republican, were not racists. For anyone to refer to all Hillary's supporters as racists is incorrect. We supported a candidate who brought to the primary something that we were proud of, a competent capable leader who happened to be female and carried for us as women hope. I still haven't figured out what Hillary's speech last night was all about. Tactically, it risked all for her, in terms of possibly foreclosing the VP Door because of its staunch focus on her 18 million suppporters, but to her supporters it said, "Look, I appreciate you. I want the presumptive Democratic candidate to know that you are important and not overlook you." I.e., take you for granted. Believe that your support is not important. Believe you me, the support of 18 million people in key swing state is very important. [No candidate ever has any group of people in his/her pocket.] Hillary carried a banner for some of us in this race, some of us who also believe that Obama's speech last night will end up in history books. I told a grandson today who missed it to listen to it. It is a landmark, like MLK's "I Have a Dream." I would wish that we could quit doing "either/or" regardless of whether Obama chooses Hillary for the ticket or not. For to do so, smashes the hopes of people who "found themselves" in this race, regardless of which candidate they supported. I wish that we could start the "both/and" train. If we intend to win in November, it would behoove us to do so. And, of course, I would like to see Hillary on the ticket with Obama. But, pragmatically, I think the way to get Obama elected is to add her as the VP. And, I realize that would turn some of Obama's supporters off. But, I agree with you, Kaze, this thing is a long way from over. Truth is this primary revealed that gender bias is still with us to some extent. And, what I am beginning to understand is that the generation a bit younger than me doesn't get the fullness of the gender discrimination that my generation lived with. But see it from a very very very different perspective. Good? Bad? Heck, I don't know. Revealing, though. Democrats in 2008!!!!!!! Everywhere. In every office. Our chance to maybe maybe maybe save our country.

Author
J.T.
Date
2008-06-04T22:46:42-06:00
ID
130510
Comment

Kaze, you are right on with your thinking. I want Democrat Obama in the White House and I am signing up to volunteer to work toward that goal. In another vein, I know that many of you have a much better overview of the situation than do I, but as a 65 year old female who is not racist I supported Hillary because she and I have both (and most women our age) lived our lives overcoming gender discrimination--being born within a generation of women getting the right to vote; being aware that that women were once legally treated as chattel in state law; and living and working during a time when women, like all individuals who are discriminated against, paid a heavy price for it. Bottom line: A great many of us who supported Hillary were not Republican, were not racists. For anyone to refer to all Hillary's supporters as racists is incorrect. We supported a candidate who brought to the primary something that we were proud of, a competent capable leader who happened to be female and carried for us as women hope. I still haven't figured out what Hillary's speech last night was all about. Tactically, it risked all for her, in terms of possibly foreclosing the VP Door because of its staunch focus on her 18 million suppporters, but to her supporters it said, "Look, I appreciate you. I want the presumptive Democratic candidate to know that you are important and not overlook you." I.e., take you for granted. Believe that your support is not important. Believe you me, the support of 18 million people in key swing state is very important. [No candidate ever has any group of people in his/her pocket.] Hillary carried a banner for some of us in this race, some of us who also believe that Obama's speech last night will end up in history books. I told a grandson today who missed it to listen to it. It is a landmark, like MLK's "I Have a Dream." I would wish that we could quit doing "either/or" regardless of whether Obama chooses Hillary for the ticket or not. For to do so, smashes the hopes of people who "found themselves" in this race, regardless of which candidate they supported. I wish that we could start the "both/and" train. If we intend to win in November, it would behoove us to do so. And, of course, I would like to see Hillary on the ticket with Obama. But, pragmatically, I think the way to get Obama elected is to add her as the VP. And, I realize that would turn some of Obama's supporters off. But, I agree with you, Kaze, this thing is a long way from over. Truth is this primary revealed that gender bias is still with us to some extent. And, what I am beginning to understand is that the generation a bit younger than me doesn't get the fullness of the gender discrimination that my generation lived with. But see it from a very very very different perspective. Good? Bad? Heck, I don't know. Revealing, though. Democrats in 2008!!!!!!! Everywhere. In every office. Our chance to maybe maybe maybe save our country.

Author
J.T.
Date
2008-06-04T22:46:42-06:00
ID
130512
Comment

Please forgive the double post. It was not for emphasis, but because I accidentally hit the button twice, I guess. Sorry about that.

Author
J.T.
Date
2008-06-05T07:20:11-06:00
ID
130515
Comment

For anyone to refer to all Hillary's supporters as racists is incorrect. That wasn't what I meant when I said that about the racist voters, I apologize if anyone took it that way -- I didn't mean that I thought all Hillary supporters were racist; rather, I meant that the votes Kaze said Obama would lose without Hillary were probably mostly coming from racist voters (Appalachia, Arkansas, etc). To me, those are not exactly Hillary supporters, either, they just don't want a black man in the White House. I do acknowledge how far we women have come in the last 100 years or so -- I would love to see a woman in the White House -- but Hillary does not represent me at all. She is not the woman I'd want for our first female president. I know she has done a lot of things all on her own, but I still have to wonder if she would have gotten as far as she has without Bill. I'd love to see a female work her way up the ranks to the Presidency all by her ownself!

Author
andi
Date
2008-06-05T08:29:55-06:00
ID
130518
Comment

Wise words J.T. I know Hillary's got a love/hate relationship with a lot of women voters. She's turned some off and inspired others. Obama's done exactly the same in some regards. Point is 18 million votes isnt chopped liver. He needs those. Bottom Line. Anyone that says otherwise is fooling themslves. A wise man and one of my many mentors in the music game once told me that a real go-getter can do business with a person he hates..or did he say an enemy?.Either way this applies here. The prize is great and Obama MUST keep his eyes on it.

Author
Kamikaze
Date
2008-06-05T08:43:13-06:00
ID
130537
Comment

Montana supports Obama, the world is changing.

Author
butterat
Date
2008-06-05T12:37:34-06:00
ID
130540
Comment

Yeah J.T. I am in my early thirties but I remember being told by my sixth grade music teacher that because I was a girl I should play the flute instead of the drums. By choosing not to listen to him, I became the drum captain by my junior year. I remember the excitement I felt the night Hillary was traveling up 55 on her way to Canton. I stood in my backyard and watched the traffic go north on the interstate waiting to catch a glimpse of her bus. Didn't see it, but the experience was still amazing. My mom (who is her fifties) never even looked at Hillary. She is still undecided. Obama has my father's vote. Dad is a working class, Vietnam vet, white republican. He has voted that way since he turned twenty-one. He believes Obama will honestly represent this country that he loves and fought for. And I do too.

Author
saint H
Date
2008-06-05T13:03:15-06:00
ID
130543
Comment

Excellent post, Saint H. I still don't know why so many people dislike Hillary, especially so many women. Many of her haters or non-supporters can't or won't put in words why they disllike her so much. There is something about her that likely will forever keep her from being president except that Obama win and passes. Something I hate to think about. I don't claim to understand the hatred of Hillary specifically. I dislike her now because of how she ran the campaign against Obama. However, I know I despise K. Bailey Hutchinson out of Texas, Elizabeth Dole and the likes. And I would never trust anyone who looks like Karl Rove. Just looking at them turns my stomach because the 2 women for me are the epitome of the old south I can't stand. Karl Rove is Chucky - the devil's little boy. Every time I see Rove on television I immediately turn the channel. I watched Hutchinson last night on television for a few seconds but had to turn the channel or get sick. On the other hand, I loved Ann Richards who has a similar appearance, but different politic. I voted for her several times.

Author
Walt
Date
2008-06-05T13:35:43-06:00
ID
130547
Comment

Besides most of the trust/deceit issues that always come up when discussing a Clinton, the 800-lb gorilla that many people seem to overlook in determining where HRC went wrong is that Hillary voted for the Iraq invasion and Obama didn't. That gave him an edge in credibility with younger voters in his anti-war message that Clinton couldn't counter, and combined with her arrogant sense of entitlement to the nomination that is STILL on display as of yesterday, Obama skillfully managed to pull off some early victories, creating the point spread that held thru last Tuesday despite a last minute surge by Billary.

Author
Jeff Lucas
Date
2008-06-05T13:58:09-06:00
ID
130626
Comment

Walt, I've been out of town, but someone e-mailed me about your "shooting" comment above. It's been deleted. Such comments violate the user agreements, so please refrain in order to keep posting here.

Author
DonnaLadd
Date
2008-06-08T18:13:31-06:00
ID
130627
Comment

Everybody knows that was a joke if you're talking about the comment or dialogue with Ironghost. I don't see how any reasonable person can take that any other way. I apologize regardless. As you know, I'll try to follow the rules.

Author
Walt
Date
2008-06-09T07:43:52-06:00
ID
130629
Comment

For clarity sake, how did this comment, assuming we're talking about the same one, violate the user agreement since it was clearly a joke? I realize I get on a roll and often try to mix humor with facts, rumors, and opinions while being creative, at least in my view. If it's other things I'm saying instead of the comment that is bothering folks, could I please be told what they are too. As is quite obvious, I'm not trying to please those who dislike me anyway.

Author
Walt
Date
2008-06-09T07:52:04-06:00
ID
130631
Comment

It was the "shooting" comment, and someone was offended enough to write me. The truth is, there are ways to rib other people without referring to violence against groups of people. Besides, not everyone who passes through here knows that you and Ironghost have been ribbing each other ever since, er, you took Ray's slot.

Author
DonnaLadd
Date
2008-06-09T08:04:43-06:00
ID
130633
Comment

Thanks. I'll be good from now on. I love Ironghost like a stepbrother. That was a joke too. Probably a lie too.

Author
Walt
Date
2008-06-09T08:48:01-06:00
ID
130636
Comment

Ironghost and I will become friends one day. "YES WE CAN! Again, I'm not Ray Carter, although I admire his work and critical and riveting views and impressions. He has inspired me like few others have in Mississippi. He made me see republicans as they are. In my opinion, he's just what Mississippi needs - someone who is fair, respectful and honorable to all sides, but not afraid to seek and tell the truth. He has strong views about what is wrong and has taken measures to fix some of them. He's not as an uncle Tom, sellout or weak-kneed Negro as many Mississippians seem to prefer but is someone above race, raising, socialization and self-imposed limitations. I realize that not everyone admires or likes his style of dealing with situations, but for me and my house I will follow him anywhere and at anytime.

Author
Walt
Date
2008-06-09T10:12:02-06:00
ID
130637
Comment

Walt, we should leave room for everyone to have a "Road to Damascus" moment. What if they had shot Paul before he got to Damascus? Paul was a very bad man (not like Ali...bad meaning bad not bad meaning good) before he figuratively saw the light. Maybe you will change into a conservative reactionary like Eldridge Cleaver did. People change. The Clintons seemed to morph from darlings of the liberal establishment to almost Republican and back again to champions of a liberal agenda all within the last twelve months....like that old commercial: "Transformers, more than meets the eye!" (Maybe you will turn into the fabled Ray Carter?)

Author
FreeClif
Date
2008-06-09T11:26:27-06:00
ID
130639
Comment

Sho you right, Whitley. It's my upmost desire that young people who have erroneously called or labeled themselves republicans and conservatives will see that their leaders have not shown themselves to be either conservatives or republicans if you judge them by the standards they claim they beleieve in and their actions. When you say one thing and do another, you're a phony, fraud or fake. The republican leadership have shown they believe in overspending, big budgets, big governement, selective state right(mostly to screw black and poor folks. Compare Shaivo and Bush-Gore elections with the federal goverment all over the matter), big trade deficit, big budget deficit, war even when not necessary, lying, corruption, selctive prosecutions, airport sex with strangers, page stalking, fattening their pockets while screwing the populace, booty whipping by prostitutes (Vitter), adultery, et al. I would like to beleive that young republicans and conservatives will once again resort back to what Taft (not the president), Russell, Goldwater and other old proponents of the concepts defined them as. The old republicans and conservatives are a loss cause and cost because they're too diseased by racism and perpetual blindness to the leadership to ever be any good any more. A climate had to exist to allow Lott, Reagan, Delay, Bush, Cheney and others to become what they did - amoral and corrupt to the core. Not all would throw Reagan in but I do. You can't have a "Damascus Road" if you choose permanent and intractable blindness over sight and evil over good, despite all the evidence before you eagerly awaiting your acceptance and eye-opening epiphany. Paul's/Saul's eyes and heart were open to his surroundings. Our system actually needs both parties to be what they once upon a time were - a check and balance system to the other. Money, greed, corruption, bias think tanks, bias television commentators, usurpation of government leadership by the rich, a fickled public or populace beyond explanation, et al, have made us possibly a lost cause on the verge of collapse. Yet, we say the shcool children aren't learning anything! What about us?

Author
Walt
Date
2008-06-09T12:10:23-06:00
ID
130640
Comment

I welcome all so-called republicans and conservatives to come on over to uur side to turn this thing around before it's too late.

Author
Walt
Date
2008-06-09T12:14:59-06:00
ID
130641
Comment

If more Republicans were like Laura they would not evoke so much hatred. For the first time in the last seven years, I am really impressed with someone in the White House! Click below to see and hear Laura Bush on Michelle Obama and Hillary Clinton (she is a gracious woman): http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=5027815

Author
FreeClif
Date
2008-06-09T12:19:49-06:00
ID
130642
Comment

I liked everything Mrs. Bush said except wanting the first women president to be a republican. Apparently, she hasn't had a Damascus Road trip either. How in the hell could any sensible and seeing person want another republican any where near the white house or a still in use outhouse, for that matter, unless they're cleaning or falling in it. Me think she chooses permanent blindness too.

Author
Walt
Date
2008-06-09T12:29:20-06:00
ID
130643
Comment

That was a joke in case it was too hard for the taste of some people.

Author
Walt
Date
2008-06-09T12:34:11-06:00
ID
130646
Comment

"That was a joke in case it was too hard for the taste of some people." - Walt Even I get most of your jokes now Walt.

Author
willdufauve
Date
2008-06-09T14:06:25-06:00
ID
130647
Comment

Thanks Will and Whitley. "I got the gift" of humor, and a gift isn't any good unless used to spread laughter, light and joy. I suppose some people think I could be so much nicer in the way I interact and communicate with the people who don't like me and others. I've tried doing that too many times, to no avail. Some people got to be hit on the head repeatedly, else they forget the have a head they're supposed to be using to improve the world.

Author
Walt
Date
2008-06-09T14:32:06-06:00
ID
130678
Comment

This is an interesting article that relates Obama's nomination to Ms. Ladd's home county: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-mississippi10-2008jun10,0,6020342.story

Author
FreeClif
Date
2008-06-10T08:34:00-06:00
ID
130680
Comment

Interesting indeed considering Colonel Reb - aka Spent Lott - got Ronald Pagan to start his campaign there.

Author
Walt
Date
2008-06-10T08:45:21-06:00

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