Super Tuesday Thread

Barack has this thang wrapped up because we want change. Once he's president, he's stopping the war (except for those republicans who would like to personally fight to keep the war going.) McCain is George Bush in an older corpse therefore I hope the country isn't dumb enough to elect him. Hilary will make a good vice-president or secretary of state. I can't wait until that broken down condo is gotten rid of and is back at Stanford, hell or where ever republicans go when returning home from screwing the people or the country.

Obama wins Georgia, thanks to a coalition of young people and African Americans. Love it. New York Times:

Senator Barack Obama of Illinois is projected to easily beat Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton in Georgia, the first of 21 Democratic Super Tuesday contests to be decided, capitalizing on large margins among young and African-American voters, according to television networks and The Associated Press.

Obama took more than 40 percent of the white vote in Georgia, per the NYT politics blog:

Mr. Obama had a pretty broad win in Georgia, according to the exit polls. He won overwhelmingly among blacks, as in South Carolina, but he did even better among white voters in Georgia (more than 40 percent) than he did in South Carolina (about one quarter). This is a good but early sign for Mr. Obama, if Southern whites are supporting him.

And this posted a few minutes ago:

The Clinton campaign is already playing down the results in Georgia. They want you to know that they never really played there, never devoted much in the way of time or money. (They don’t mention that Mrs. Clinton had the endorsement of Representative John Lewis, the civil rights icon.)

Message: Don’t lose heart just because this early-reporting state is going big for Mr. Obama, especially if you live in a state where the polls haven’t closed yet.

Another message re: Georgia would be that they didn't expect to win in a "black state" against "the black candidate." But the fact that Obama carried more than 40% among white voters pretty much demolishes that line of rhetoric. It also proves that "black candidate" pigeonholing is not as effective, as a campaign strategy, as the Clinton campaign had probably hoped.

Agreed. The truth is that the Obama candidancy is turning out *new* voters, and could explode a lot of political conventional "wisdom." I honestly don't think the Clintons know how to run against him. They're proving it. And I find that delicious.

No big surprise, but Obama wins Illinois.

The old song "Something happening here" could apply:

Mr. Obama’s victories in Illinois and Georgia were built on nearly 9-to-1 majorities among African-American voters and a wide margin among younger voters and men, according to surveys of voters leaving the polls.

Mr. Obama carried virtually every demographic group in Illinois, according to exit surveys, gaining the votes of women in his home state by a nearly 2-to-1 margin, the poll found.

In Georgia, exit polls showed that Mr. Obama won large percentages of both men and women voters and a majority of all voters under the age of 60. He also won among all income groups and among union members. Mrs. Clinton took a majority of white women and those who had a strongly favorable opinion of her husband, former President Bill Clinton.

Times

No surprise: Hillary wins Arkansas and Tennessee.

On the Republican side, I heard on the news that some people feel that Huckabee is taking votes away from Romney. Huckabee responded by saying it could be the other way around. BTW, if McCain wins, would that make him the oldest candidate in history? I thought I heard that somewhere, so I wanted to see what the rest of you heard. Also, I didn't know that McCain's wife was a stroke survivor.

On the Democratic side, regardless of who wins, this is a historic night for them. The last two candidates on the ticket are a woman and a black man. Wasn't sure about seeing something like that this soon in my lifetime. I expected to have more gray hairs before that happened.

Right. More importantly, Huckabee is making it hard for McCain to declare that he's going to be the nominee after tonight. Those southern states matter.

Don't know on the age question.

Definitely a historic night on the Dem side. Oprah was quoted in the NY Times Sunday saying that we need to enjoy the fact that we have this kind of choice (presumably meaning not a white man). And either one of them will be in a good position to take the White House in November, with the mood of the country toward Republicans. That said, I believe the Clintons can muck it up quicker than Obama. And I don't dig those devotion to party above all else, among other things. I'm more anti-Clinton than ever right now after all the tricks of late.

Now we wait for California ...

Stephanopolis just pointed out that, so far, Hillary only has *seven* more delegates than Obama, being that these aren't winner-take-all states, reminding us that the whole "winning states" thing is essentially useless. Charles Gibson then mumbled something how it will take them a while to calculate all the delegates.

Now, she only has a four-delegate lead ...

And in a raw number of votes nationally, Clinton and Obama are neck in neck, separately only by a couple hundred thousand votes right now.

Obama takes Connecticut. That's big, no matter how the delegates shake out.

Obama states so far: Alabama, Georgia, Delaware, Illinois, Kansas, Minnesota, North Dakota, Utah (though at this moment, he's down)

Clinton states: Arkansas, Massachusetts, Missouri, New Jersey, New York,
Oklahoma, Tennessee

They're somewhat on an even keel as far as number of states won. Both have won a couple of big states. Obama was leading in Connecticut and Idaho earlier, but I don't know if either have gone to Obama. Clinton's victories so far are slightly more impressive as the states she's won are more populated than Obama's. That may be important in the delegate count. Of course, we're waiting on the Big One to strike (California).

L.W 8:40 p.m. post -->**BTW, if McCain wins, would that make him the oldest candidate in history? I thought I heard that somewhere, so I wanted to see what the rest of you heard. Also, I didn't know that McCain's wife was a stroke survivor.**

McCain might not be the oldest "candidate in history", but if he is elected in the November general election, he'll become, at 72, the oldest person to enter the White House as president. Ronald Reagan was 69 when he took office, and William Henry Harrison was 68 and died one month later after giving the longest inaugural speech in history on a cold, blustery day.

Obama takes Connecticut. That's big, no matter how the delegates shake out.

You posted that as I was writing mine. So that's nine to Hillary's eight states declared.

LW, there are a number of hard-line conservatives like Mary Matlin who believe McCain and the Huckster have formed a back door agreement that the Huckster stay in this race because he pulls votes from Romney. I can almost believe that some deal was cut in the WV race, and the Huckster seems to have an advantage over McCain in the Deep South. He doesn't have a prayer of stopping the McCain juggernaut, but perhaps he's staying in to jockey for the VP running-mate spot. That would be an interesting pairing, since I don't think they share the same political philosophy but Huckabee could draw in evangelicals and social conservatives who aren't really feeling McCain. I loved Huck's opening retort tonight during his AR victory speech acknowledging the media declarations that it’s a 2-man race, declaring "It is, and WE ARE IN IT!"

On the Democrat side, I think once the votes are tallied in the morning Obama and Clinton will end up virtually tied. Clinton managed to pull MA which surprised me a little. And Obama's getting 43% of the white vote overall tonight which is helping to keep him competitive.

*BTW, if McCain wins, would that make him the oldest candidate in history?

Yes, it would. I wonder, too, if that will play a factor in some voter's mind in November should he win the nomination for the Republicans. That probably was Bob Dole's downfall against Bill Clinton. That and the fact that he didn't have anything of substance to run against Clinton with.

McCain might not be the oldest "candidate in history", but if he is elected in the November general election, he'll become, at 72, the oldest person to enter the White House as president.

Thanks, Kacy. You worded it better than I did. :-)

William Henry Harrison was 68 and died one month later after giving the longest inaugural speech in history on a cold, blustery day.

I remember that story. Fascinating.

BTW, did any of you hear Ann Coulter say she will support Hillary Clinton if she gets the nomination and John McCain wins the Republican race? There has to be some kind of punchline or set-up somewhere.

Massachusetts likes Kennedys, but it's also very partisan.

I wouldn't completely discount that Obama could kick her butt in the West where the "independent" spirit is revered, and partisanship isn't quite what it is in New England. Not saying he will, but don't discount the possibility. Early returns are looking good for him.

I heard on NBC a few minutes ago that Huckabee wants to get rid of the IRS. What does he want to replace it with?

Also, they just interviewed Tavis Smiley, and he said that the way blacks and Hispanics voted tonigh shows that they are not monolithic because it wasn't all black voters voting for Obama or all Hispanic voters for Clinton. He said this shows that black and brown people just want to live in a country where America lives up to its promises (life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, etc.)

Huckabee wins Georgia

He also won in Alabama and his home state of Arkansas, so don't count him out.

BTW, did any of you hear Ann Coulter say she will support Hillary Clinton if she gets the nomination and John McCain wins the Republican race? There has to be some kind of punchline or set-up somewhere.

I heard that too. I can't imagine Clinton and Coulter talking campaign strategies over a cup of coffee without throwing the coffee in each other's faces.

I heard on NBC a few minutes ago that Huckabee wants to get rid of the IRS.

Not a bad idea, actually.

One trend I've been noticing in the primary/caucus season is that more Democrats have been turning out than Republicans. Is this a harbinger of things to come in November?

Massachusetts likes Kennedys, but it's also very partisan.

I heard that most MA citizens have JFK portraits hanging up in their houses.

NBC just said that Obama won Minnesota.

Obama is leading big in Colorado. Keep your eye on Missouri. Obama has narrowed the gap there and now trails by 19K votes with 81% of the precincts reporting. Kansas City and St. Louis are usually the last to report and that's what happened in the Senate race there in 2006 and the state went to the Democrats. Maybe these two cities will help Obama?

Looks like Fox News has declared Obama the winner in Colorado.

Right-o, golden. I truly think he's going to rack up in the West. California, of course, is its own thing. But those women did amazing at UCLA Sunday. We watched on C-Span after getting in from San Francisco. The Super Bowl was over, after all. I just heard Michelle and Maria's speeches, but they kicked a$$.

Do you mean Maria Shriver? When I heard that she was endorsing Obama, I kept wondering what things were like at her house right now.

CNN estimates that Clinton will get 22 delegates and Obama will get 12. They don't have an estimate for the Republican candidates yet.

Do you mean Maria Shriver?

Yep, and I was somewhat surprised. But she is related to the Kennedys (her mom, if I'm not mistaken, is the sister of Ted, John, and Robert), so I guess being a Democrat didn't stop at her marriage with Arnold.

CNN says that in California, mostly whites and blacks voted for Obama, and mostly Latinos and Asians voted for Clinton.

As expected, McCain is in the lead in CA, thanks to Ahhhnold's endorsement.

Yeah, I know Maria's related to the Kennedys. Her mom's name is Eunice, I believe.

Somebody on MSNBC predicted that Obama and Clinton would each get between 500 and 600 delegates, and that it's very possible that the night could end up with an 839-839 tie in the overall delegate count.

Re McCain-Romney-Huckabee, I wouldn't be surprised if Huckabee ends up with substantially more delegates than Romney by the end of the night, especially if Romney fails to carry California.

Would anyone like to guess the results for the MS primaries next month?

CNN says Huckabee won Georgia. Obama is ahead in Idaho.

Clinton's ahead in Arizona.

Okay, heading to bed - about to fall out of my chair. Nighty-night.

Latasha, unless Clinton has a prohibitive lead by then, I'd be very surprised if Obama doesn't carry Mississippi in a landslide. He consistently outperforms her by a 3:1 by 5:1 margin among black voters, who are likely to make up two-thirds to three-quarters of Mississippi voters in a national primary, and he also appears to have inherited a lot of support from white YDA folks who previously supported Edwards. Clinton will carry a huge majority of whites over 45, but unless things change radically by March 11th, she'll lose in every other demographic.

Good night! :o)

Of course, Maria is a Kennedy, and Sargent Shriver's daughter. She looks as much like a Kennedy as any of them.

She's leading so far in California; don't know who has reported. But she seems strong among Latinos.

Am I the only one a bit bothered by McCain's quip about being able to grow up and be president? Why wouldn't HE be able to? Was that a slap at Obama and Clinton? If so, icky.

Obama definitely giving the speech of the night. On fire.

" ... a war that should never have been authorized ..."

Nice.

"We are the ones we've been waiting for."

This is amazing.

Shriver said the same thing Sunday.

His speech was amazing.

And the AP et al got it wrong earlier; they just called Missouri for Obama.

NBC saying McCain and Clinton winning in California.

Tell you who lost tonight: Republicans, or at least the style that has held the country, and Washington, hostage of late. Not one of them boyz left standing so far.

they just called Missouri for Obama.

Look at what I said at 10:13 tonight:

Keep your eye on Missouri.

I'm watching Fox News and I don't see where Missouri has been declared, but this is a huge come-from-behind victory if it holds.

Also, Obama's leading in the Alaska Caucus and Clinton's been declared the winner in California. But I feel like the Democratic race will come down to the convention this summer.

As of 11:30 MSNBC won't call Obama the winner in MO even though the numbers suggest he will win it by a slim margin.

What a great night for Obama. And the race isn't over, which hit ought not be just because some of the states had their primaries the same day. (And it looks like he's winning more states, and in unexpected places like, er, Utah. Wow.)

Go, Obama. And g'night.

OK, MSNBC is calling MO for Obama at 11:40. Who would have thought Obama would be this strong at this point in the race? The Clintons clearly underestimated this dude, and that's why BJ has barely been able to contain his anger that Hillary could actually lose this and kill his chance to loophole around the Constitution and get 4 more years through her.

What a great night for Obama. And the race isn't over, which hit ought not be just because some of the states had their primaries the same day. (And it looks like he's winning more states, and in unexpected places like, er, Utah. Wow.)

As I said earlier, he's winning states, but Hillary's winning the big ones, like New York, California and Massachusetts. But that's still a good thing because this is going down to the wire.

Obama is doing very well in states deemed conservative. He's doing very well among white males, too. Get those white males behind him in the general election, along with the black voters and Hispanic voters (which Hillary's doing very strongly amongst) Obama wins in a landslide.

Oh, and Ari Fleischer thinks the November elections may have the largest turnout ever and could very well be big for the Democrats.

Here's the link to Obama's Super Tuesday Speech that Donna was referring to.

Would anyone like to guess the results for the MS primaries next month?

Considering a few months ago they looked irrelevant? I'd say the dems will go for Obama over Yet Another Clinton. The republicans will vote for McCain, the media's favorite Republican over anyone else who would actually qualify as one.

Fall will devolve into a lovefest for the democrat while shredding, lambasting and generally ripping the heart out of the republican.

I expected Asians and Latinos to be anti-black folks and therefore against Obama. What's up with this if anyone knows. Maybe we need to stop supporting them by not eating their foods or patronizing them in other ways. And maybe we need to become more anti-immigration.

However, before we go off too far, we need to remember that Harold Washington got nearly 80% of the Latino vote in Chicago when he ran for mayor. Also Kirk in Dallas, Webb in Denver and Dinkins in New York got about better than 70% Latino votes when they ran for and become mayors of those cities.

I can't speak for Asian support with any solid numbers, but would be surprised if a black candidate with the exception of Mickey Leland in Houston ever got great support from them. Mickey Lealand specifically reached out to Asians and got good support in return. Anybody got any stats on Asians' support of black candidates for political offices?

I didn't know republicans had a heart.! I thought that was their problem.

Ray, I know one that does. :)

Lady, I know Ghost is a big-hearted person. I can tell by his commetaries. I just couldn't resist making that comment. Imagine me doing a little dance after saying that to celebrate Ghost creating an opportunity for me to so easily make that comment yet appear to be responding to comments.

George Bush and this Republican Adm. have truly made a mess of things for this country. This is historic for most Republican Administrations. We always end up in a recession and a war.

I hear you Justjess. Not only do republicans not have a heart (excepting Ghost) they don't have a conscious either. Watch them race to vote in McCain who will follow Bush's bad leads. I used to like McCain until I found out he doesn't have a conscious or a stand alone creed, and he is more willing to follow bad republican policy than to object to it. Republicans are bad for America and there is no wonder we're ar war, suffering a near recession and viewed throughout the world as a truculent and evil empire except for those whose palms we're greasing and those holding their hands out hopeful of getting greased. Trash in, trash out.

I have come here to make an announcement.

I am voting for Obama, in the hopes that he actually wins. I will never vote for McCain, and I will not let him use our Republican name when he is a Democrat. If someone is going to *$@# stuff up, it will be a Democrat this time, and not a Republican.

I am shocked. SHOCKED I say, at how quickly the Democrats have turned against the "first black president." I think it's great! Anyways. I'm not excited about him though. He'll just raise taxes and ban guns. At least he's honest about his socialism though... sigh...

Good Gosh Almighty. A republican finally "coming in from the cold." Welocme home prodigal son. You finally learned something out there in the wilderness. We will kill the fattest pig/cow and feed you.

I am voting for Obama, in the hopes that he actually wins.

Ah, we agree on something, LawClerk. Or two things. ;-)

Actually, "the Democrats" have not "turned" on a would-be black president. You're reaching. That's a poor characterization that seeks to take what's happening out of context. Many establishment Democrats are backing the more establishment candidate, who wonderfully happens to be a woman. It's great to have such choices; Dems haven't been in the place in a long time.

But Obama is a movement, and I'm supporting the movement.

Not sure what you mean by your "socialism" quip, but you misuse that word all the time so no matter. (If you'd love that kind of overblown rhetoric, you know, you might convince more people. It would be like me using "fascism" for every Republican policy I don't like. Doesn't help me a whole bunch; would just make me look a tad ignorant and reactionary.)

McCain's speech was awful last night. So was Romney's and Clinton's. Huckabee's slightly less so. Obama ruled the airwaves.

Additionally, Law Clerk, if the country is going to spend the money anyway on something I'd rather spend it on the people creating jobs, education, good will, the sick, the poor and needy rather than spending billions on killing people (war, what is it good far), stirring up trouble around the world, and leaving the door open so that select republicans can secretly creep into the country's depository and steal all the monies and assets they want. Socialism my a$$? What about a rogue government?

LawClerk your administration has screwed us royally. We paying for something we din't even enjoy. We don't want anymore, and the whore is going out of business. And rightfully so.

I think, as of right now, I'm actually going to vote for Obama too. I like the way he thinks: much more so than any of the Repubs running.

Ray, you're a sweetie.

After listening to an Obama speech, how could you not vote for the guy?

It's now being reported that Romey is suspending his run for the presidency. If we can get Huck, McCain and Hilary to do the same, we'd be on our way to fixing this country.

Why, Ray? You've got three Democrats and only One Republican left. You've got Obama, Clinton and McCain on your side so I don't see a problem.

Uh, IG? McCain is running as a Republican...

Oh. I've pretty much tagged him as a "Republican in Name Only". He's there to be a good fall guy come November for Obama.

Ghost, just as it's wrong for a man to not claim his children, it's equally wrong for republicans to not claim their candidates. In case anyone is wondering why I don't use a big R to spell republican let me tell you. It all happened late one evening as I was overwhelmed with work. As I tried to type the word republican with a big R, I heard a strange and threatening voice. For a while I had no idea what or who it was. However, the voice said, "Don't use me in conjunction with those ..... The curse words used erased all inquiry about whether it was the Lawd talking, although surely he objects to. For republicans unable to deduce, which I imagine now amounts to nearly all judging by their inability to see the party is almost over, the capital R objected.

I was surprised that Romney dropped out. I thought it would stick it out just a little longer. Also, I heard that Hillary was leading in New Mexico by a razor-thin margin. At last check, no one's been declared the winner there, even though the media projected Obama to be the winner on Tuesday night.

Ironghost, don't try to give McCain to the Dems. I would think just the opposite: McCain is being tauted as an undisirable republican by other Republicans to fool well thinking Independents, Republicans, Evangelicals and Democrats. If such conservatives as Rush Lumbar(sp) and company are filling the airways with hate talk about McCain, I know it is a trick.

McCain will try to validate and ligitimize the Bush Adm. for the war in Iraq. McCain says daily that the "SURGE IS WORKING." This is the greatest problem facing America. We must end the war! At this time, only Clinton, Obama or other Dems who share that belief can save our country. We are in BAAAAAAAAAAAAD SHAPE.

Jess it's spelled Limpbaugh. Even the worse speller on here can spell his name correctly.

Thanks Ray for jogging my mind. From now on, I will put the "p" in the right place and not allow others to spell it L I M B A U G H. LOL!!!!!!!!!

Just call him Limpballs.

Ghost just as LawClerk came in from the cold yesterday, and declared he was voting for Obama, so can you. LC is eating icecream with his girlfriend right now. We killed the fattest cow and fed him well. He then shaved, bathed, combed his hair and put on some clean clothes. He commented afterward, "I'm so glad to finally be on the right side, after all the years wondering aimlessly in the wilderness, stealing, killing, lying, eating with dogs, cats and pigs, and pretending to be something I wasn't. I'm so happy to be home and free." LC is fastly picking up weight and manners. He even said he didn't hate poor folks any more!

I don't understand why the media "projects winners" in the state primary races for the Democrats any way. That only makes sense if it's "winner take all." As it is, only the delegate numbers matter. That's a media construction that gives undue weight to what state is "won" by each.

It's rather like all the national polls showing who is leading popular opinion. It doesn't matter with our glorious system that allowed Bush to take the White House when most Americans didn't want his dumb butt in there.

And look where we are as a result.

Outside of his little war obsession, McCain isn't close to being a republican.
As for "coming in out of the cold".... No thanks.

So, I've been itching to ask all you "real" Republicans who hate McCain so much: What specifically about him is *not* Republican in your view? I'm not talking about him p!ssing off the current GOP power structure (I should say the former one) by not going along with the program. Who cares about that now?

Tell us specifically what is not "conservative," or not "Republican" about McCain, please.

Who can blame McCain? It would take astounding lunacy to be an old styled republican right now. Whenever I'm depressed and needs something to make me laugh, I turn to Fox news. Jerry Springer can't even rival it. Ghost, go to the front page of MSN and read what Charles Barkley, former staunch republican, is saying about being a republican these days. He could be wrong but I doubt it! He talks bad about Jessie and Al too, no doubt a brief flashback to his republicanism. He announced he's coming in from the cold too and voting Obama.

MSN? You trust your news to the Microsoft News Network? *snicker*

The only reason McCain is being treated nicely is because he'll be a perfect target for the media come fall.

Hey Iron, please don't miss my question. What positions does McCain take that make him un-Republican?

Iron is like a t-model ford arguing about why he does't like mercedes or lexus. He doesn't want to move and certainly not fast or in style.

I'm also not in the mood to be double/triple/quintuple teamed anymore, Ray. I've got more in life to worry about than who's going to end up ruining america. Any one of these schmoes will be a disaster.

I'm out Iron. I'll leave the door opened though. We Democrats still have room for you and Cliff Cargill. I'll leave word at the door to let y'all in without delay.

Who's double-teaming you? I'm curious from you and other Republicans who despise McCain why he's not a Republican. Is that a difficult question?

I haven't heard anyone say that he's not a Republican; I've heard a lot of people say that he isn't a conservative, which is different.

Personally, I think he's obviously conservative but not as conservative (in the sense that the word is generally used today) as George W. Bush. He opposes ANWAR drilling, wants to tighten anti-torture regulations and close Guantanamo, wants to offer a citizenship path for undocumented immigrants, opposes the Federal Marriage Amendment, and supports stricter campaign finance reform than most Democrats. On top of all that, he referred to leaders of the Religious Right as "agents of intolerance." That's going to run him afoul of a lot of conservatives.

I would compare it to folks describing Lieberman as a neoconservative because he supported the Iraq War, when his position on every other issue I can think of has been consistently progressive.

Oh, and McCain also opposed the tax cuts the first two times they came up. So, really, he's managed to tick off some folks in all three branches of the conservative coalition--foreign policy, social policy, and fiscal policy.

Did you read this Robert Novak article regarding Barbour, Cochran, and McCain? Interesting reading.

Cochran's comment surprised me, but it's worth remembering that both serve in the Senate and have no doubt clashed over appropriations many times, considering their very different approaches to the issue.

As I remarked on another local forum, I think McCain's approach to appropriations is courageous but does not take into account the needs of underdeveloped states, of which Mississippi is one. Sensible earmarks paid now can stave off new entitlements and poverty relief programs paid later. Pork barrel spending is, at times, an efficient use of capital.

Obama has the most delegates right now. Hopefully if he wins he will pick Hillary as vp or someone else who can pull the female vote. She has lots of talents that are valuable. I just want to see repugnant republicans run back into the caves or pits of hell where they came from. All this crap about their fiscal responsibility, evangelical morality and sound national security and domestic policy, et al, is hogwash. If they win again, they'll start more unnecessary wars and continue their neo-colonizing ways that involves taking advantage of everyone everywhere who is non-white.

And the repugnants are dumb. Most of us learned on the playgrounds, after a few ass-whuppings, that you don't jump on the boy who never stops fighting. So why in the hell did we jump on Iraq. Moreover, what decent human being would want to belong in a club that has Coulter, Hannity and Limpbaugh?

Obama has the most delegates right now.

A very razor-thin margin right now, but it will grow after tomorrow, especially if it's a sweep.

Ray, I agree that Obama needs to pick a female veep--the race vs. gender stuff has become too pronounced for him to do otherwise. I've been talking up Janet Napolitano for the position, but if she took it the Arizona governor's mansion would end up in the hands of a Republican for a couple of years so I don't know if she'd want it. Blanche Lincoln is a definite possibility; Kathleen Sebelius another.

Winning Main brough Obama within 30+ deligates. If Obama wins the nomination and that is after the "Super Deligates" have their say. The Clinton - Obama or an Obama - Clinton ticket is being tauted as a "Dream Ticket."

I agree with Ray Carter about Hilary. She is brilliant and if you take of the rough edges, she would be great, in my opinion, as a rep. for America.

[url=http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/11/delegates/index.html]Clinton leads in superdelegates, but her overall lead is by 27 delegates. She'd be trailing without the superdelegates.