Fat Man Walking

I just don't believe this man thought up this theory on his own. It sounds to me like he has some very creative defense attorneys.

I suppose this is what happens when creative defense attorneys chew the fat.

I suppose this is what happens when creative defense attorneys chew the fat.

Hilarious. Just hilarious. :-D

Thanks :-). By the way, Lundgren was executed today, so I guess explanations are now moot.

I still refuse to waste any of my time on those lethal injections challenges. I'm too much of a realist for this.

Hey Ex and Ray, can you imagine if this guy was able to convince a judge to take him off death row? Would the crime rate increase dramatically among morbidly obese people with diabetes? I'm sitting on the fence when it comes to capital punishment, so I don't even know why I'm thinking about this...just asking.

The article from Ex has a scary quote from Lundgren:

"It's not a figment of my imagination that I can in fact talk to God, that I can hear his voice," he had told the jurors. "I am a prophet of God. I am even more than a prophet."

Since what he said does not line up with what he did, I wonder if he had schizophrenia and was delusional. If so, I think it would have been easier for him to plead insanity from the beginning. Does anyone know what his plea was?

LW-- I've been away at a conference and just noticed your note. I've not seen anything about what Lundgren's plea was (CourtTV has a very lengthy article, but doesn't mention a plea, which I would guess would be a plea of not guilty, but I'm not sure), but I've not researched it thoroughly yet. I don't know if there are relevant newspaper articles available in some online databases because of the time period of the killings and the trial. I'll get back to you in a few days unless, of course, Ray answers your question in the meantime.

Tkae your time, Ex. I'm not writing a term paper or anything. :-)

Tkae = take. I need to take my time, too.

LW-- Here are excerpts from some news stories. I don't believe you can access these articles because they require IP recognition, so I won't provide links to the urls. Anyway, according to the articles, Lundgren entered a plea of not guilty.

From the January 10, 1990 edition of the San Jose Mercury News...
Cult leader Jeffrey Lundgren, 39, his wife, Alice, 38, and their son, Damon, 19, pleaded innocent in San Diego Tuesday to Ohio complaints, triggering formal extradition proceedings that could take at least 90 days.

April 10, 1990 edition of the San Jose Mercury News...
A judge today ordered three people, including a reputed cult leader, returned to Ohio to face charges in the slaying of a five-member family.

Municipal Court Judge Terry J. Knoepp ordered the extradition for reputed cult leader Jeffrey Lundgren and two followers, Kathryn Johnson and Daniel Kraft.

April 17, 1990 edition of the Dallas Morning News...
In Painesville, Ohio, Jeffrey Lundgren pleaded not guilty to murder and kidnapping charges in the execution-style shooting deaths of a couple and their three children who belonged to his cult. . . .

If his plea was not guilty, this guy may have had a bad case of narcissism. Sounds like he thought he could get away with - excuse the pun - murder.

Amazing how those who have so little respect for the lives of others hold onto their own so fiercely. There's a special room in Hell for that guy.